I didn't think that campaign contributions were considered charity.

And he gets to decide whatever his opinions are, just like you get to run your mouth on this forum on a daily basis and spout off your moronic opinions.

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Maher had some disparaging words toward a religion? Shocking!
Next thing the you know, Bill will think up something classless to call conservatives but he and his audience will think it is intellectually brilliant.

Does the moronic opinions thing apply to you too or are you exempt? God knows you have plenty.

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What is it like to wake up each morning with your panties in a wad because someone disagrees with your political/religious/philosophical beliefs?

Shreek! The horror of someone doing or saying something that you disagree with. Quick...to slowtwitch you go to start yet another useless thread about the world's atrocities.

Mormonism has a name so it is easy for Maher to say that. This whole obama/global warming/green energy/class warfare socialism thing does not yet have a name other than "Bullshit" so it is abstract and not yet easy to label. It is however far more cultish than Mormonism.

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What is it like to wake up each morning with your panties in a wad because someone disagrees with your political/religious/philosophical beliefs?

I can't speak for Rodred, but I wake up every morning thinking to myself: "I've got a country to save today." Then I think the easiest way to communicate my awesome thoughts is to post some incindiary anti-liberal shit here in the LR. Most days and much to my delight, Rodred. BK or chainpin has already done my work for me. It is also comforting to know that people really do read this shit and take it to heart. This can only mean that we are keeping the darkside packed with fresh souls.

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So your version of saving the country is to post 'incindiary anti-liberal shit'

How noble of you. The should give you an award for your heroism. You are a true American.

And yet you cared enough to comment. Why is that?

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Let me give you an example: Most people think that Republicans charging Eric Holder in contempt of Congress might not go anywhere. This might be true. But even if it is only pure theater, it is worth something because it makes people think. I don't like obama. and for the most part, I don't like liberals or democrats. This next election will be won by capturing hearts and minds. It could be compared to warfare. So incindiary anti-liberal shit is just a 'take no prisoners' approach. The other side is no more noble than I am so I need to ratchet up the tension before they do. And when they do they'll be outplayed by my side. I am essentially The Ultimate American Patriot.

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Agree 100% except I added something for you.

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How silly of me and of course: THE FORGE and the many others who's tireless efforts will have obama packing his shit in November.

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Clever.

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Lighten up Francis!

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Just watched the show on the DVR. The conservative on the panel said that Romney donates a bunch of money to the poor. Maher called her on it and said that he does not donate to the poor, but to the Mormon Church. Those are two different things.

Then, just like he does with all religions, he called Mormonism a cult. Of course, I've heard several of my pastors call LDS a cult. I've heard prominent right wing political campaigns call LDS a cult. Most Catholics I know call it a cult. And, the Greek Orthodox Church considers Catholicism to be a cult too.

If you're going to whine about someone calling LDS or any other religion a cult, you're going to need more kleenex.

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This is spot on.

One thing of note, the LDS church does help a lot of poor people.
They do a ton of good things that they get credit for.

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Hahah, that's funny.

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Just watched it as well and completely agree with the above.

Funniest quote I heard from him was "do you know a single poor Mormon? You do? Name one?!". When I thought about the question, I couldn't think of one either. Every Mormon family I know is full of dentists, doctors or lawyers. They're all super smart, really athletic, and really freaking nice! Cult or not, they're doing something right!.

True dat. I work with 4 Mormon men here. ALL of them are single paycheck households with 4 kids (all parents under the age of 40, and some under 30). All live in nice homes.

As far as the cheerfull / happiness? Must be all the anti-depressants.... 1 in 5 LDS women are on them.

My personal test of "cult" status for a religion can be answered by one question.... if you leave or get excommunicated, do they forbid your family for having a relationship with you? If the answer is yes, than, by my standards, you got yourself a nice little cult goin on. It's all about control....

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Bill Maher, the largest donor to President Obama's super PAC, called Mormonism a "cult" on his HBO show last night, and said that donating money to that religion doesn't count as charity because it's "bulls---."

Does he realize that he just donated $1,000,000 to a "cult" just a few weeks ago himself?

Who knew that he got to decide what is and isnt charity. Maybe he should petiton his favorite candidate to join him in calling his opponent a member of a cult.

I just listened to the podcast. This wasn't anything knew or unusual for him. Regarding his donation to the Obama campaig. 1) He's not claiming that it's charirty. That was the whole point that Romney isn't donating to a "charity that helps poor people." He's donating to the Mormon church. There's a big difference. Maher further said that donating to the Opera or donating to Cornell University shouldn't be considered a charity either.

2) The campaign fund to re-elect Obama for president doesn't remotely qualify as a "cult." It's a presidential campaign and he'd prefer that Obama be the preident over Romney and contributed campaign funds. That's it! He's not a member of the Democratic party.

My apologies for bumping this back to the top.

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My personal test of "cult" status for a religion can be answered by one question.... if you leave or get excommunicated, do they forbid your family for having a relationship with you? If the answer is yes, than, by my standards, you got yourself a nice little cult goin on. It's all about control….


Amen.

I'm an atheist although I was raised strictly under the religion of Christian Science until I was a teenager. I look at all religions through the same lens today. I don't believe it's a stretch at all to refer to Mormonism as a cult and I think your personal test is extremely valid.

and to which you took time out of your day to reply...

Out of curiousity, what are people supposed to do on a forum that is intended to let people express their opinions about (most) anything and (most) everything? Sit here and listen to virtual crickets?

Or, do you just wake up with your panties in a wad because someone who disagrees with your political/religious/philosophical beliefs has the audacity to post about it on an internet forum designed for doing exactly that?

Seriously, Dude. Read your prior post. Pot, meet kettle.

What "prior" post are you referring to? The one to which you replied was my first.

I'd strongly encourage you to look up the definition of "prior" and consider how it applies in your post.

Look at all the fun Barry created by bumping this back up!!!!

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He probably assumed you were the OP.

It is kind of ironic. The OP bitching about the fact that Maher has an opinion and expressed it on his show. He cries, "who does he think he is to have an opinion about something and express it."

Maybe you should be berating Rodred........wait.....Rodred is a righty, correct? Nevermind.....you aren't allowed to berate him. You shoul dinstead berate the guy calling him out......and be ironic about it.

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Step 1: highlight "Jar1635" in the far left column: <enter>
Step 2: scroll down to bottom of profile, and highlight "view user's posts": <enter>
Step 3: view Jar1635's posts, and determine what post was prior to the one that I replied to.

I was referring to the post of yours where you spoke of the stench of my post, which was pointing out lies that republicans tell

Did I call your post "useless"? Did I question why you posted it? No. So, tell me how that relates to what I was responding to?

Why aren't I allowed to berate Rodred? Because of his politics? That's news to me. Thanks for pointing out that rule, the page it was on must have fallen out of my playbook.

OK, you have a point. Now let's play "flippy cup" with draft Fat Tire.

Barry knows how to build a roaring fire!!!

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bump!

Bumping my response

Does the moronic opinions thing apply to you too or are you exempt? God knows you have plenty.

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Are you saying that regarding the Mormon church?

If so, that's false. I would be curious to know where you heard this idea, and more importantly why you pass it as fact to others.

Al

I was just observing how consistently one sided you are.

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If so, that's false. I would be curious to know where you heard this idea, and more importantly why you pass it as fact to others.

I honestly don't say this to be disrespectful but I laughed when I read that statement.

Good morning c*** bump for my pals!!!!

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Really? Coming from you that is laughable...which is consistent with almost all of what you post.

Another spot-on BarryP analysis

+1

I'm at a loss as to what was funny about his post, disrespectful or not. Seriously. I have no idea.

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Really? Coming from you that is laughable...which is consistent with almost all of what you post.

That post doesn't even make any sense.

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yes, I am saying that the Mormon religion does this. maybe the Mormon's won't publish or publically admit to their tactics, but there is huge pressure on families from stake and council leaders to cut off ties with excommunicated people. well known fact. just like the Moonies will never admit that they encourage their followers to cut off ties to their families.

i'm not talking about losing a temple rec, or a little silly dispute. i'm talking about when someone is "unsealed" from their wife and kids.

i've read several books by ex-Mormons who will all relate that their families and friends were told by elders not to associate.

I'll talk for lakerfan...but I may be wrong of course...

I think he meant that he laughed when reading this, because of the '...why you pass it as fact to others', which is hmm...exactly what religions do.
They pass a lot of things as facts to others. It's great when they pass as fact that we should love each other, and be compassionate, and so on. But
when it's about the virgin mary giving birth, the resurrection, etc. from any religion, well...these aren't facts (except in guru's world...in which they
have scientific proofs that all this is true and happened...but he personally knows the tooth fairy, so...)

So, anyhow, I think the first assertion should be pink ;-)

That's the best you could come up with? Clearly, you are off your game. Although, I'm impressed you didn't resort to your oft used standby of calling the person you are responding to childish names.

I won't disagree that this happens, after all we're dealing with both a mostly lay clergy that is often untrained and the fact that Mormonism isn't immune from its fair share of dysfunctional families. But to imply that this is somehow some unpublished or secret policy, that there is huge pressure from "stake and council leaders," will need a lot more evidence than some unnamed books by former Mormons. (I hope you're not relying on the Martha Nibley book.)

I'm very good friends with two of the September Six. (You can't really get more public excommunications.) While they have had their ups and downs, neither has experienced what you claim to be some unwritten policy. One actively continues to criticize the Church and yet is welcome to regularly attend Sunday meetings with her family.

My father-in-law was excommunicated over disagreements re church doctrine, among other things. Yet his former ward continues to invite him to all kinds of activities. No one in our family has received any pressure to disassociate.

For years, I was inactive and openly hostile. Yet the most I've ever experienced is my mother's disappointment.

I'll stop here, but the list couild go on.

Yes, it's anecdotal evidence, but I still think it's significant, considering how immersed I have been in Mormon culture. Frankly, I don't think you know what you're talking about.





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If that's what he meant, that that seems fair.

Although, to also be fair, there was absolutely nothing in AI5's post to indicate he was defending religion in general or that he ever took a position supporting
"exactly what religions do." Does he have a history of doing this here? I don't seem to remember any of his posts.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. What Francois said which basically comes down to the following:

The whole idea of someone defending a religion by accusing the other person of misrepresenting a fact is simply "entertaining" to me. ;-)

I guess I like the way you think ;)

Glad I could entertain. ;)

I got the impression when reading that post that he was regurgitating some falsehoods he had 'learned'.....and I was right. What better place to find cold hard facts than a couple books by disgruntled ex-members.

Everyone is an expert, and someone thought their expertise was in the 'secrets' of the LDS church. As the true expert, I was kindly helping to debunk that.

Glad I could entertain. ;)

I got the impression when reading that post that he was regurgitating some falsehoods he had 'learned'.....and I was right. What better place to find cold hard facts than a couple books by disgruntled ex-members.

Everyone is an expert, and someone thought their expertise was in the 'secrets' of the LDS church. As the true expert, I was kindly helping to debunk that.


Well, independent of what he thinks, I find very little good in a religion that has roots based on violence, corruption and deception. It contains most of the characteristics that make it a cult in my book.

Sure, there are a lot of very good people who are Mormons today but then there are also a lot of people in this world who suffer from blind faith because the thought of contemplating the fact that God doesn't exist scares the living shit out of them.

You have brought life to this thread after it had died. You are the Frankenstein of LR and you should be proud!!!!!

Now stop pretending you didnt mean to do it.

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I really didn't care one way or another. It was a throw away joke and I thought it had a nice ring to it when I wrote it.

Like a cat with a ball of yarn, if you get your jollies off of having this bumped to the top, then more power to you.

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HBO is so outraged by his actions that they just renewed him for 2 more years. Keep it up, you've got him on the run now.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

If I could have a nickle for all the times I've heard the "Mormons are very good people," always followed by "but" . . .

It's the religious equivalent of "some of my best friends are black." (And no, I'm not comparing religious bigotry to racism.)

It's already been pointed out that the one thing you think that makes it a cult, that if you leave or are excommunicated, your family is forbidden from seeing you, is false. SInce you think it fits "most of the characteristics of a cult, at least in your book, I'm curious what they are.

It is comforting, at least, to know that you've been able to get into the heads of Mormons and understanding why they believe what they do (fear that God might not exist). How arrogant and condescending of you.