Don't be so quick to hold up eyewitness testimony as truth. This is one of the main flaws within the judicial system.
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [mlinenb]
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [gbot]
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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Work with statistics when it comes to cycling; the rate of positive tests to drugged up cyclists is terrible. If you had a similar conviction rate in every day court cases, well, we wouldn't have a problem with prison overcrowding!
The brushing under the carpet of Puerto hasn't helped.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [zebragonzo]
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2) Even if the rate is not the same does that mean that one group (pro athletes) do not deserve the opportunity to have to be proven guilty?
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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I'd be happy to consider all athletes innocent until proven guilty, as soon as they (specially cyclists) agree to not only have urine, but also blood and hair tests as part of anti doping procedure, with the 'it's an invasion of privacy' argument.
Of course, that would also require a full revision of the anti doping procedure, and its agencies, with full transparency, independence, etc...
Not an easy task by any mean.
Of course, that would also require a full revision of the anti doping procedure, and its agencies, with full transparency, independence, etc...
Not an easy task by any mean.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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From Ricco:
"They made 10 tests in about 13 legs - two were positive and in theory all the tests should have been positive. Therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.
That's a 20% success rate for a drug that they can actually detect!
When the dopers are not capable of being caught, then yes, it's perfectly reasonable to speculate as to who's dirty based on a range of factors. That's why we debate who's dirty and who's not.
I think I'm using your same logic in saying: if you see a cyclist taking drugs even though they never fail a test, they're innocent because they haven't failed a test?
"They made 10 tests in about 13 legs - two were positive and in theory all the tests should have been positive. Therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.
That's a 20% success rate for a drug that they can actually detect!
When the dopers are not capable of being caught, then yes, it's perfectly reasonable to speculate as to who's dirty based on a range of factors. That's why we debate who's dirty and who's not.
I think I'm using your same logic in saying: if you see a cyclist taking drugs even though they never fail a test, they're innocent because they haven't failed a test?
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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Of course, I meant 'without' not with the invasion of privacy argument...
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [zebragonzo]
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Francois- Do you live your whole life by double standards?
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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Hardly a double standard 'scottie'...Proving that you're clean is nearly impossible, however, if you allowed for blood testing, you'd be able to test a lot more, and the doubts would be significantly lowered.
What would you think of a person on trial for rape who refuses to do a DNA test?
What would you think of a person on trial for rape who refuses to do a DNA test?
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [Francois]
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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Francois- Do you live your whole life by double standards?
You know, if I were on an internet site and found myself making cheap shots and getting into arguments with almost every poster, I might reconsider some of my points of view and at the very least, how I am articulating my responses.
Just sayin.....
You know, if I were on an internet site and found myself making cheap shots and getting into arguments with almost every poster, I might reconsider some of my points of view and at the very least, how I am articulating my responses.
Just sayin.....
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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No, my post shows that those who dope don't always come up positive.
We are arguing the case here. He's not. It's a discussion. The outcome will not have any major effect for him.
Of course, it would have helped his case if he'd had his DNA sampled to prove he wasn't involved with Puerto...
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [FJB]
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [zebragonzo]
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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It's a beautiful day today. 81 degrees, sunny, and I got to bike to work today with a run to follow after my bike commute home. Life is great and happy times abound. Koom-by-ah.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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and spends most of his time on forums posting hate for one athlete.
Please read my posts and then you can apologize for making an incorrect accusation.
Please read my posts and then you can apologize for making an incorrect accusation.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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The accurate comparison is: if you were accused of rape, would you submit to a DNA test. And the answer is, yes, of course (unless I were guilty).
Your comparison about 'testing every day' doesn't hold water. My initial analogy was simply to point out that if there is a way to significantly reduce doubt and show that you're clean, why not do it?
Your comparison about 'testing every day' doesn't hold water. My initial analogy was simply to point out that if there is a way to significantly reduce doubt and show that you're clean, why not do it?
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [Francois]
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I should have learned my lesson yesterday "francois" that you are just a closed minded troll. Enjoy your last word.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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Actually...Francois is my real name...And it seems you're the one disagreeing with everybody...moreover, you deleted your stupid post I was answering to...It was really funny...You're an idiot.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [scottie18]
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Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [gbot]
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You forgot that he learned his stuff with Manolo Saiz...
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [gbot]
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It is what it is, i think the best we can do is hope that they're all clean but in reality we should alway question. But i'm going to continue watching as though they're all just beasts.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [mreber]
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They are all beasts. And juiced.
Re: Is Anyone Else Disturbed By This? Re: Contador's Ascent of Verbier [Francois]
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