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  • The draft marshals did a good job. The disgrace lies with those who choose to break the rules.
Riccitello
Point of clarification if you don't mind - most IMs these days leave a lot of athletes with no choice but to break the rules. The sheer volume of athletes hitting the bike course over a short period of time makes it mathematically impossible for all athletes to ride legal, and still ride their own race.



At 32.5km/h, a cyclist covers 2667 meters in 5 minutes. The rules state that riders should keep 7 meters between bikes, so if you add the length of the bike then you need roughly 9 meters for each bike/draft zone. Those 2667 meters will theoretically accommodate 296 riders, if they are perfectly spaced.

Checked the IMFL results and found 280 swimmers exited the water between 1:05 and 1:10. They could, theoretically, ride legal. From 1:10 to 1:15 there were 405 swimmers exit, then 368, 306 and 277 in successive 5 minute segments. 2/3s of the field are packed on the course in a space that is too small to accommodate them and all still be legal.

Hypothetical? Yes, but I think it illustrates well the problem. Sure, some will be legal in that space, but only because there are also groups of 70 milling about three abreast in a space of about 150 meters.

I sympathize with you, having to answer for a situation that is not your creation. It's like the NFL telling teams to field 12 players, but instructing the referees to penalize a team for having more than 11. But this illustration, and the video from the OP, shows that for somebody swimming 1:12 it is highly probable they will at some point on the bike, be in a position violation unless they sit on the side of the road for 20 minutes until the steady stream of wheel-to-wheel riders abates.

More officials and bigger penalties aren't going to have any effect, unless the density on the bike course is properly managed so that the athletes intentionally breaking rules are isolated.
Maybe to some level early on but theres no excuse for those larger packs..
I agree some what the first 5 to 10 miles dependin on the course. Louisville I did not see that thanks to time trial start with 2916 starting.
If all these riders are stable going same speed then your point is taken but its not a linear world there. you have varying speeds and abilities amongst the bikes and as long as they are moving to pass and dropping back things should spread out over time and they do. I came out at 1:19 plus 6 minute transition(you need to account for that as well) I was very suprised how little bunching
went on the first 20 miles maybe because I was riding fast and passing most of the time but it was not impossible to keep from drafting. The videos are at 34 miles into the race...
And I do agree too many people for mass start,flat course without a lot of turns things get bunched up early but once they spread out theres no excuse.
If you watch the videos or if I could show videos between theres large gaps with no bikes. I made effort to pass them
then get passed back but they still were in formation.. I've done 29 of these 28 halfs probably over 250 triathlons in my time and I've never gotten a penalty been racing since 1986.
blocking and drafting like this at 35 miles into the race theres no excuse.
Last edited by: gholmes: Nov 11, 09 18:57

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