Running on the treadmill, I have found that it is easier to run at about 13 min/mile.

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Yes, there is. I remember such a thing from my master's program. It involves all sorts of fun power functions. Generally around 4.5 mph or a 13:20 pace.

Brains Trust?

You asked your question on ST. Surely you should have tossed in "alleged" in there somewhere?

Do I have to use Pink if it's blatantly obvious? :-)

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Faster than 4mph.

Don't have the link to the study. From Katch and Katch Exercise Physiology.

Hello isbr and All,

+1

Some years ago after watching the Olympic trials for race walking (and some race walkers looked so smooth at race speeds) ..... I thought perhaps since I was old and slow that might be more efficient (or at least train some muscles so I could run faster) .... though most material I read said race walking was not as efficient as running.

So I signed up with a race walking group to learn the technique.

I was assigned a lady to teach me how to do it properly ..... and she could easily go faster than me .... she said she liked passing marathon runners on the hills .... and other race walkers on the flats ... "when they drop their arms their speed drops off" .... so I did learn that to walk fast ... keep your arms up and pumping.

I only kept at it for about a month ........... and so not a real fair test .... but my heart rate was always 10 or so beats higher race walking than jogging.

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+1 mph Faster

For me as soon as I am walking faster than 3.6 - 3.8 mph it seems like a lot of internal resistance to walk and then I need to break into a jog....but it won't be at 3.9 mph....it will shoot up to 5 mph to feel comfortable....the entire 4-4.9 mph range feels like an uncomfortable no man's land with both techniques!

What the others are saying seems about right. My dad walks for exercise. He goes around 4 mph. When I join him, sometimes I jog because it is easier.

When I saw this title thread my first thought was 12 min per mile. I win.

Race Walking is a recognized Olympic Sport and as such has strict technique requirements. Walking in that manner is very difficult for me due to knee issues but Speed Walking using Danny Dreyer's Chi Walking technique is very easy on the knees. My WALKING half PR is 2:11:12 at Space Coast Half Marathon in 2011 at age 62 and my WALKING marathon PR is 4:56:28 in 2011 at Disney World after having completed the 5K on Friday and half marathon on Saturday.

Due to last year's issue with prostate cancer and me having a bilateral orchiectomy performed to eliminate the production of testosterone, I am not able to keep the 180/220 steps per minute cadence any longer, 220 was equivalent to a 8:36mpm pace, so I find that jogging has become easier due to a longer stride when in the 11+/-mpm pace compared to pre-cancer times.

My time for the marathon during 2013 IMFL was a slow 5:30:08 to complete my first IM in 13:31:48. I was only able to jog for about 2 miles of the 26.2.

. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16286854

. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20219374

IOW- Walking continues to be more economical past speeds at which most would transition to a run.

I have a racewalker coming in Monday and I measure economy in everyone; it'll be interesting to see their values.
Some tests are started at walking due to low fitness and economy invariably gets worse the moment they start running.

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See my point above about "no man's land". I believe the economy for most jogging at really slow speeds will be bad, but it is still too fast for them to comfortably walk so even though their economy may be better, it is still a contortion act unless one is trained in race walking and have sufficient hip mobility!

As per one of the previous posts, this is referred to as the 'gait transition speed'.

If you start walking on a treadmill and increase the speed, you'll eventually start running. That is the walk-to-run transition speed.

Likewise, if you are running and start slowing the speed down, you'll eventually start walking (run-to-walk transition speed).

Interestingly, the walk-to-run speed will be different than the run-to-walk speed.

thanks for those

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that is my experience as well, thanks

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