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ian moone
Jul 12, 12 14:18
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something other than USAT?
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i never care for USAT, and thought there should be another triathlon association,
1) what do you think?
2) would you spend $25 to help get it of the ground,
3) would you help create the by laws/rules etc..
tri-tele
Jul 12, 12 14:20
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Jul 12, 12 14:40
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Can you explain exactly why you want another triathlon organization? RDs have the option of going without.
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SLOTOPO
Jul 12, 12 14:43
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The USFL called, and think you might be on to something.
Rambler
Jul 12, 12 15:19
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An insurance company? Insurance is the only tangible benefit for a race to be USAT certified. I don't get the need to be associated. Triathlon has roots sown by renegades, non-conformists and outlaws.
h2ofun
Jul 12, 12 15:20
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Go for it!! I think USAT does a fine job.
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ian moone
Jul 12, 12 17:10
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my point exactly,
ian moone
Jul 12, 12 17:30
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RD's do, but people won't go to their races because they want their Ranking,
USAT is nothing more than a insurance company, if you go the RD certification, you will spend 80% of the week end talking about insurance, law suits, and safety,
USAT does thing that RD's are not allowed to do, (draft legal races for AG),
USAT has a National headphone sponsor but headphone are illegal in triathlon,
Drafting rules are weak and rarely unforced ,
Pro's are not compensated properly compare to other sports,
tri clubs are nothing more than social clubs, rather than training clubs with paid coaches, sponsored racing teams,
USAT doesn't make any effort to make the sport TV friendly, by changing the race formats, ex: F1 format from Australia.
LazyEP
Jul 12, 12 17:39
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1. Unlike cycling, you can race in any events you choose. Is someone holding a gun to your head that forces you to compete in USAT sanctioned events?
2. You can form a trade association but you cannot form a rival NGB. Once the USOC awards NGB status to an organization it has some monopoly-like powers & protections (See Amateur Sports Act). Do a little research before you jump off the rant cliff...
3. You can help create all these with USAT. Have you ran for one of the Board positions? Are you a USAT certified official? Do you volunteer to work on one of the several committees within the NGB?
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randymar
Jul 12, 12 17:42
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SLOTOPO wrote:
The USFL called, and think you might be on to something.
Trump called, he wants to be Commissioner. But all the races must be held in The Greatest City in the World
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ian moone
Jul 12, 12 17:54
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it is not about being the governing body, it is offering a alternative and giving athletes a choice, and yes i am a certified official
pick6
Jul 12, 12 17:57
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ian moone wrote:
RD's do, but people won't go to their races because they want their Ranking,
USAT is nothing more than a insurance company, if you go the RD certification, you will spend 80% of the week end talking about insurance, law suits, and safety,
USAT does thing that RD's are not allowed to do, (draft legal races for AG),
USAT has a National headphone sponsor but headphone are illegal in triathlon,
Drafting rules are weak and rarely unforced ,
Pro's are not compensated properly compare to other sports,
tri clubs are nothing more than social clubs, rather than training clubs with paid coaches, sponsored racing teams,
USAT doesn't make any effort to make the sport TV friendly, by changing the race formats, ex: F1 format from Australia.
Pros dont get compensated properly compared to other sports because the other sports bring in billions with a B in the US
ian moone
Jul 12, 12 18:03
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so you just accept it, and walk away,
h2ofun
Jul 12, 12 18:36
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ian moone wrote:
RD's do, but people won't go to their races because they want their Ranking,
USAT is nothing more than a insurance company, if you go the RD certification, you will spend 80% of the week end talking about insurance, law suits, and safety,
USAT does thing that RD's are not allowed to do, (draft legal races for AG),
USAT has a National headphone sponsor but headphone are illegal in triathlon,
Drafting rules are weak and rarely unforced ,
Pro's are not compensated properly compare to other sports,
tri clubs are nothing more than social clubs, rather than training clubs with paid coaches, sponsored racing teams,
USAT doesn't make any effort to make the sport TV friendly, by changing the race formats, ex: F1 format from Australia.
Wow, 80% of the weekend taling about insurance, law suits, safety? Have you a certified RD and have been to class? I have and do not remember it being close to 80%
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h2ofun
Jul 12, 12 18:37
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ian moone wrote:
it is not about being the governing body, it is offering a alternative and giving athletes a choice, and yes i am a certified official
So, are you a certified RD?
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pick6
Jul 12, 12 18:39
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ian moone wrote:
so you just accept it, and walk away,
im not a pro triathlete.
You want to get on board to help teachers and social workers make more money im with you on that one.
People seem to really think triathlon should be on the same wavelength as other sports. In the US, its popular to do, not watch. Even F1/draft legal, other than in person for a non-cyclist/triathlete/runner type, its not that terribly entertaining on TV.
I honestly believe soccer hasnt taken off at the pro level in the US in the way it has everywhere else because of the lack of offense and our counties penchant for success.
Personally i enjoy those sports, but as many people didnt grow up competing in ours, its a hard push to make it feasible to be more than what it is; a sport primarily for amateurs.
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Jul 12, 12 18:39
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Why do you/we even need USAT?
There's a very long-running Tri/Du series in NY run by NYTC, which has ZERO affiliation w/ USAT.
They run good races with an excellent safety record.
They just don't count towards your USAT rankings.
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h2ofun
Jul 12, 12 18:43
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Or Nationals, or TeamUSA. But we cares about those things?
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ian moone
Jul 12, 12 18:53
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no you care about this things, you are the poster boy for USAT, your website is all about your achievement, based on USAT ranking system, it is not possible for you to be rational, since your athletic life revolves around your USAT statues
h2ofun
Jul 12, 12 19:13
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ian moone wrote:
no you care about this things, you are the poster boy for USAT, your website is all about your achievement, based on USAT ranking system, it is not possible for you to be rational, since your athletic life revolves around your USAT statues
And 150,000 folks who have paid for an annual USAT membership.
Man, some of you folks have some much hate on things. Sure takes way too much energy. I bet on your death bed all this stuff is going to make a big difference.
I guess it is an honor you have taken the time to look at my personal website. Thanks. Like my pictures of all the other toys and stuff I have?
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3Aims
Jul 12, 12 19:41
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Would slingshot riding be allowed?
Murphy'sLaw
Jul 12, 12 19:46
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I *only* buy the annual membership since it costs less that way than paying a bunch of 1-day license fees.
Pretty sure the majority of the other 149,998 athletes do so for the same reason.
And then there's this one other guy...
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ian moone
Jul 12, 12 20:17
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could care less of what you have, or don't have, i checked your website so i knew why you responded the way you did,
i don't need toys to be myself.
150k people have only one choice of triathlon format, one set of rules, RD's are limited to the one set of rules, i want to give them another option.
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Jul 12, 12 20:24
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
I *only* buy the annual membership since it costs less that way than paying a bunch of 1-day license fees.
Pretty sure the majority of the other 149,998 athletes do so for the same reason.
And then there's this one other guy...
Giddyup.
I get no tangible benefit from USAT. Waste 'o money. With the worst 'customer service' ever invented.
And no, I'm not that other guy. :)
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Jul 12, 12 20:36
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150k people have only one choice of triathlon format, one set of rules, RD's are limited to the one set of rules, i want to give them another option.
Not exactly.
To a small degree, isn't that what Rev3 and others provide versus "that other guy"; an option. It is very successful. If you have an option that you think might sell, there is nothing to stop you from marketing it. But so far, your marketing pitch is a bit flat.
Present your alternative.
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