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Looking for recommendations for a small hand pump to carry on the bike that is reliable and can actually pump tires up to 90-100 psi. Thanks in advance.
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Re: small pump recommendation [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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I have the Silca Pocket Impero https://silca.cc/products/pocket-impero

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Re: small pump recommendation [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
I have the Silca Pocket Impero https://silca.cc/products/pocket-impero

I'd go (and have done so) for the Silca Tattico instead...

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Thought about and talked to a Silca about it. Why did you get it?

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Re: small pump recommendation [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Where does everyone carry these small handpumps? In the back pocket of the jersey or one the bike?
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Re: small pump recommendation [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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I'm sure the Silca options are awesome, but I've been really happy with my Lezyne. I've had mine for years-- honestly don't know what model it is anymore-- maybe the Pressur Drive, but it gets it done and is small enough to fit in a jersey or mid size seat bag. I like its thread on flexible hose-- secure, and acts as a strain relief between the pump motion and the valve stem.
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Re: small pump recommendation [Billyk24] [ In reply to ]
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Billyk24 wrote:
Where does everyone carry these small handpumps? In the back pocket of the jersey or one the bike?


Road racers tend to carry them in a back pocket (since they won't carry them in a race). Tourists tend to have them mounted on the frame (usually clipped to the downtube water bottle)....not very aero. Triathletes tend to have on-bike storage in a water bottle "pod" or integrated storage/bento.





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Re: small pump recommendation [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Thought about and talked to a Silca about it. Why did you get it?


It's more compact and has the option of a water bottle mount (I don't like carrying a pump in my pockets)...besides, it's got more "tech" in it, which I thought you'd be all over...and it better matches the aesthetic of the disc-braked (all)road bike it's mounted on ;-)

That said, for pure road bikes, I prefer carrying along a full-sized frame pump...which is why my Stinner has a pump peg brazed on behind the head tube and an Impero Ultimate stored under the top tube :-)

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Re: small pump recommendation [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
Billyk24 wrote:
Where does everyone carry these small handpumps? In the back pocket of the jersey or one the bike?


Road racers tend to carry them in a back pocket (since they won't carry them in a race). Tourists tend to have them mounted on the frame (usually clipped to the downtube water bottle)....not very aero. Triathletes tend to have on-bike storage in a water bottle "pod" or integrated storage/bento.

...and real "road racers" carry a full sized frame pump on training rides, and just leave them off during races :-)

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Re: small pump recommendation [Billyk24] [ In reply to ]
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Billyk24 wrote:
Where does everyone carry these small handpumps? In the back pocket of the jersey or one the bike?

Mine fits diagonally in my road bike seat bag. Giant, ~6", works good enough.
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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
Titanflexr wrote:
Billyk24 wrote:
Where does everyone carry these small handpumps? In the back pocket of the jersey or one the bike?


Road racers tend to carry them in a back pocket (since they won't carry them in a race). Tourists tend to have them mounted on the frame (usually clipped to the downtube water bottle)....not very aero. Triathletes tend to have on-bike storage in a water bottle "pod" or integrated storage/bento.

...and real "road racers" carry a full sized frame pump on training rides, and just leave them off during races :-)

The Silca with the metal head....using the rear qr as the pump peg.

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I carry my Pocket Impero in a custom Yanco bag in my jersey pocket. I do like the hose of the Tattico though. I feel like it won't put as much stress on a valve stem?

Thoughts?

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Re: small pump recommendation [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
I carry my Pocket Impero in a custom Yanco bag in my jersey pocket. I do like the hose of the Tattico though. I feel like it won't put as much stress on a valve stem?

Thoughts?

The best part about the hose on the Tattico (besides the fact it doesn't need to be screwed on) is the head has a flip-lock, rather than screw-on like the Lezyne pumps. Makes it a lot less "fiddly" to use than a Lezyne, plus there's no danger of accidentally unscrewing the valve core as you remove it.

The dual-wall construction also keeps the body cooler while you pump.

And yes, the hose connection can result in less stress on the valve stem. Especially if you aren't "practiced" at holding the pump head and rim together while you pump.

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Hrmm....to sell or keep my Pocket Impero?

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
The best part about the hose on the Tattico (besides the fact it doesn't need to be screwed on) is the head has a flip-lock, rather than screw-on like the Lezyne pumps. Makes it a lot less "fiddly" to use than a Lezyne, plus there's no danger of accidentally unscrewing the valve core as you remove it.
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I have used the Lyzene ones for a while and they don't suck (that is supposed to be a compliment). BUT I just had an unfortunate incident where I accidentally unscrewed the valve core of a tubeless tire that was a PITA to set up. Bummer. That tire now has a tube inside. Sad Compass tire - way too nice for butyl :(

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Re: small pump recommendation [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Hrmm....to sell or keep my Pocket Impero?


If you're happy with it, I'd keep it. The Pocket Impero is basically just a "sawed-off" Impero Ultimate, which is also a nice pump.

Like I said above, my preference is to not carry a pump in my jersey pockets on training rides...I prefer to keep the pockets open for food, phone, ID, arm warmers, jacket, etc. ...things I will most likely access on the ride. But, if that doesn't bother you, then no problem.

My thought process is that for things that I know I'll carry on each training ride, and will only access periodically (not necessarily every ride), then I'll try to find a way to mount it to the bike so it's always "ready to go" with those items...especially if they are "road repair" related. I know that if I don't, then invariably there will come a time I'll forget to take an item, and of course that will be the ride I'll NEED said item ;-)

So, pump/tube/levers/patch kit/multi-tool find a more permanent place on the bike, either in a seat bag, bento, or in the case of a frame pump, on the frame. BTW, I prefer pumps (full-sized over compact, if it makes sense) instead of CO2 just because then I don't have to worry about how many CO2 cartridges to carry.

One interesting note about the full-sized Impero Ultimate mounted on my road bike...significantly more OTHER people have used that pump than I have personally. It's amazing how when folks realize that it's available, they tend to ask to borrow it...since they know it works better/faster than most other inflation options ;-)

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Re: small pump recommendation [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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kjmcawesome wrote:
Tom A. wrote:

The best part about the hose on the Tattico (besides the fact it doesn't need to be screwed on) is the head has a flip-lock, rather than screw-on like the Lezyne pumps. Makes it a lot less "fiddly" to use than a Lezyne, plus there's no danger of accidentally unscrewing the valve core as you remove it.
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I have used the Lyzene ones for a while and they don't suck (that is supposed to be a compliment). BUT I just had an unfortunate incident where I accidentally unscrewed the valve core of a tubeless tire that was a PITA to set up. Bummer. That tire now has a tube inside. Sad Compass tire - way too nice for butyl :(

If it's a 700C tire, then throw a latex tube in there...they are available in those sizes (Challenge) ;-)

On my Fuji Jari, I'm currently running the 700x42C Snoqualmie Pass tires and although the rear is set up tubeless, there's a latex tube in the front.

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the latex tip. I have a stack of Vittoria latex tubes for the road bike, but had some hesitations about putting them in a 35mm tire (Bon Jon Pass). Looks like Challenge makes them in 29-38mm. Nice!

Wanna take a wild guess at the Crr hit of a fat butyl tube vs a narrow one?

/kj

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Re: small pump recommendation [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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kjmcawesome wrote:
Thanks for the latex tip. I have a stack of Vittoria latex tubes for the road bike, but had some hesitations about putting them in a 35mm tire (Bon Jon Pass). Looks like Challenge makes them in 29-38mm. Nice!

Wanna take a wild guess at the Crr hit of a fat butyl tube vs a narrow one?

Probably the same...~3-4W per tire.

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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More for a rough surface or same there too?

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Re: small pump recommendation [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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kjmcawesome wrote:
More for a rough surface or same there too?

Good question...

Since a rough surface basically imparts a somewhat "random" flexing on top of the "static" deflection, then yeah one would expect larger losses than on smoother surface. You can see that in the Silca data below in that below the breakpoint pressure, there are increasing losses with increasing roughness:


So yeah...it could be proportionally worse on rougher surfaces with a butyl tube. More flexing = more energy losses.

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Re: small pump recommendation [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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I have the Topeak Race Rocket HP (several of them for different bikes) and love them.

They are small, lightweight, last well (I've have many pumps simply die on the bike with the crap weather we have here, but Race Rocket last very well)

I particularly like their combination of weight, size, cost, reliability and especially their extendy hose (that eliminates pressure on the valve, unless you're a total muppet), and the very easy change from Presta to Schraeder.

The only downside is the classic "easy to pump to high pressure" Yes it's easy, but that means it takes a long time to get to the pressure you want. That will always be a compromise. If you want fast, get a CO2 inflator. If you want a manual pump, get a Race Rocket.

I suspect there are better pumps for specific needs, but all round, I don't think the Race Rocket can be beaten overall.

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
BryanD wrote:
Hrmm....to sell or keep my Pocket Impero?


If you're happy with it, I'd keep it. The Pocket Impero is basically just a "sawed-off" Impero Ultimate, which is also a nice pump.

Like I said above, my preference is to not carry a pump in my jersey pockets on training rides...I prefer to keep the pockets open for food, phone, ID, arm warmers, jacket, etc. ...things I will most likely access on the ride. But, if that doesn't bother you, then no problem.

My thought process is that for things that I know I'll carry on each training ride, and will only access periodically (not necessarily every ride), then I'll try to find a way to mount it to the bike so it's always "ready to go" with those items...especially if they are "road repair" related. I know that if I don't, then invariably there will come a time I'll forget to take an item, and of course that will be the ride I'll NEED said item ;-)

So, pump/tube/levers/patch kit/multi-tool find a more permanent place on the bike, either in a seat bag, bento, or in the case of a frame pump, on the frame. BTW, I prefer pumps
(full-sized over compact, if it makes sense) instead of CO2 just because then I don't have to worry about how many CO2 cartridges to carry.

One interesting note about the full-sized Impero Ultimate mounted on my road bike...significantly more OTHER people have used that pump than I have personally. It's amazing how when folks realize that it's available, they tend to ask to borrow it...since they know it works better/faster than most other inflation options ;-)
My thoughts exactly. I've had a small pump mounted permanently on each of my bikes since I got them, and a repair kit and multitool resides permanently in a small saddle bag on each. I really find the preference by many cyclists for filling pockets with unnecessary crap simply to look more "pro" by eschewing saddle bags and frame mounted pumps absurd. Not only is it uncomfortable but you risk forgetting essential kit as you've pointed out, it uses up space you may want for food/clothing/phone, and it may even increase risk of injury in a fall if you have large, hard metal objects in a pocket. Professional cyclists don't have saddle bags because they have support cars instead. Copying them in this respect is just stupid.

I consider CO2 optional but a pump essential.
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Ai_1 wrote:

My thoughts exactly. I've had a small pump mounted permanently on each of my bikes since I got them, and a repair kit and multitool resides permanently in a small saddle bag on each. I really find the preference by many cyclists for filling pockets with unnecessary crap simply to look more "pro" by eschewing saddle bags and frame mounted pumps absurd. Not only is it uncomfortable but you risk forgetting essential kit as you've pointed out, it uses up space you may want for food/clothing/phone, and it may even increase risk of injury in a fall if you have large, hard metal objects in a pocket. Professional cyclists don't have saddle bags because they have support cars instead. Copying them in this respect is just stupid.

I consider CO2 optional but a pump essential.


The interesting thing is...it was observing the habits of some local pros in their training setups (typically full-size frame pumps wedged into their carbon frames in various locations) that influenced my own setup. Even they don't have follow cars on long-slog training rides.

In other words, a frame pump and a decent saddle bag IS the way to "look pro" ;-)

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Re: small pump recommendation [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
Ai_1 wrote:

My thoughts exactly. I've had a small pump mounted permanently on each of my bikes since I got them, and a repair kit and multitool resides permanently in a small saddle bag on each. I really find the preference by many cyclists for filling pockets with unnecessary crap simply to look more "pro" by eschewing saddle bags and frame mounted pumps absurd. Not only is it uncomfortable but you risk forgetting essential kit as you've pointed out, it uses up space you may want for food/clothing/phone, and it may even increase risk of injury in a fall if you have large, hard metal objects in a pocket. Professional cyclists don't have saddle bags because they have support cars instead. Copying them in this respect is just stupid.

I consider CO2 optional but a pump essential.


The interesting thing is...it was observing the habits of some local pros' training setups (typically full-size frame pumps wedged into their carbon frames in various locations) that influenced my own setup. Even they don't have follow cars on long-slog training rides.

In other words, a frame pump and a decent saddle bag IS the way to "look pro" ;-)

....but you see they look pro, not "pro"! ;-)
I do find it weird how unashamedly interested in emulating the appearance of the pro peloton some cyclists are, regardless of their ability. I'm not surprised actual professionals who spend huge hours training keep things practical. I would, and do, even as a mediocre triathlete/enthusiast cyclist.
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