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1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races
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SO this weekend is the 1st of the national HITS races, and tidbits have been keenly watched by many of you here for when they come to your town. I want to say up front that i want my comments to come off a constructive criticism, as it became painfully obvious that this really is the 1st triathlon they have ever produced. I hope that they read this and take it as a way to leap frog the many mistakes new RD's make. Horse shows are not triathlon..

First some of the good. It is great that two guys that have never put on a race, have put up so much to try and launch a national series. They really needed to hire a real race director, or at the very least make Dave Scott earn his money and be at the venues to give his 30+ years of triathlon racing input. I love that they are doing the small free race to get 1st timers, it will be a great feeder to their pay events if they can get their shit together. I just looked and they have results up online just hours after the finish, but need to get the timers to add a run split to their software..

Went to the pre race meeting last night, and it was a total bust. Spent about 20 minutes on how great it is to have the series, the founders stories, ect., which is ok, but that was about it. They did figure out that you cannot start the sprint and olympic races at the same exact time on the same courses, and announced that there would be a 30 minute delay now between. I did ask one question about a swim warm up, and got a little stink for it, so left the rest of my questions alone.. Nothing about any of the courses, intersections, race details, ect. Meeting over. I saw Charlie Crawford in the corner(top refree from USAT and all round nice guy), and he was also suprised that he was not called up to give a little rules lecture. Oh well.

Race morning was brisk, they announced the water was 60. It was at least 57, one guy i say said he measured it at 54, it was butt cold. This i do not care about, but i just like it when they say what it is, i'm sure colder than the worlds they cancelled in vegas last month. And to all you folks that were there, for gods sake, get in and warm up when it is that cold, I along with about 6 others were the only ones to get in before the start on do a proper warm up. Took nearly 10 minutes to get rid of the ice cream head and face ache for me.. And teenagers in kayaks are not lifeguards. I hope everyone was ok, a friend said one of the kayaks had so many people hanging on that it was nearly swamped. Swim course was not good either, a straight out and back on a single turn buoy, so for sure lots of folks just turned around when they felt gassed. I lead the swim with a few friends of mine, Michelle Jones was there and a guy in the 50+ that is an old timer too. There was no swim staging area, and since the turn buoy was at an angle to the beach, it made sense to move up the beach. You have to have an inner stop if you have a beach start like this. So all the folks just followed me up the beach until someone finally said stop. Four of us were in line until Mike the leader got tangled in a loose rope, then i hit it, and i'm sure many others later one. Another rookie mistake, you need one rope and one heavy anchor for buoys, not several with loose ropes surrounding them. And please do not put up the next days buoys and tell us to just ignore them, it gets really confusing on the water, especially since there was no lead paddler. Lucky for them i was 1st to the turnaround and i was about 60% sure it was it, but figured if i turned everyone else would too, so that was the course.

I won the swim prime(glory) but was already depressed as I knew that i was going to lose 40 seconds for no reason. They set up one of the old style transition areas, where folks at one end get a huge advantage over the folks a the far end. I was in the last row, and looking at the T1 splits of the guys i was running up with, lost exactly 40 seconds. Another rookie mistake, just needed a 100yd channel along the fence to make it the same for everyone.

Got on the bike after riding the entire course just before the race. Not a mark on the road, cone, sign, or anything just before the race, so was really hoping they had a plan. When i passed the big truck with all the cones and signs at 3 miles, I knew then something was bad. Guy in the truck almost took me and Michelle out too, think he was panicked with bikers passing him, and he lost his mind. Good thing i can ride a corner in the dirt. So im sitting 4th or so, know the exact course as i live there, and take the last turn fast to what is supposed to be the turnaround on the bike, only to see nothing for a mile, and then looking back and seeing the cop waving his arms wildly at me. They decided to change the turnaround to the intersection, good call since it was still in the back of the truck we passed earlier. So now I'm down a 1;10 for mishaps. Course was completely open, which is ok, just would have liked to know, something for the pre race meeting next time. ANd thank goodness for the local cops, they got to the intersections just in time, and did all the heavy work until the volunteers and cones arrived. The 4 of us up front probably have over 2000 triathlons under us, so we all took it in stride.

Run transition was good, worked out the way it is supposed to for both of them. Not sure if there was supposed to be any aid, none that i could see, no mile markers, and the run turn around was very confusing. Almost all of us in the lead 10 crossed the road in front of traffic, and had to cross back. No one was there, just a cone on each side of the road with a sign, so it looked like you needed to do both, but still not sure. And I do not think races olympic and under need aid, but someone said there were supposed to be one every mile.

Finished the race struggling with my fat ass trying to remember how to run, not sure of a time, no clock i could see. Hung around for a bit, not a calorie to be had at the finish aid station, just water, and something i had to spit out. One of those jugs where they put 5 times too much powder i think.

All in all glad i raced, but certainly they need to get their shit together before they get any big numbers. Really lucky for them the fields were small. I hope everyone was ok in the water, probably a very high rescue rate for a small sprint. I could see the awards were going to be late, so didn't hang around. I'm sure others here who raced can chime in on how that went.

So i was stoked to have won the swim, having only had to pull water for about 200yds, but i got passed in the last mile by a guy in my AG who was 2nd at nationals. Unlucky for me, it was a lot less than the time i had to give away for nothing, but that's how it goes. I should just lose 10 more lbs and run faster, that's my real excuse. For all of you that were waiting to see if it was really going to happen, i hope you give them a try in your respective towns. Let us see if they are willing to learn from their mistakes, and forge ahead with new gusto. And hopefully others that did the other races will get in here and give their takes too, it can only help them to see where they can do a better job

And lastly, I love the shirts that you guys have done for yourselves, the kind of rainbow design ones, do one like that next time. People can tell when you try and save money on the shirts. (-;



DAY TWO observations: So i just got back from watching a lot of the 1/2 and full races, still going on for most folks. I rode the entire run course, and there must be 5000 cones, man what i would have given for just one of them for yesterdays bike turnaround..A great overkill today, and i talked to over a dozen of the racers to see how they felt things went today. Only complaints about the course were that there was no calorie drink on the bike ride, just plain water. Several of the top 10 guys were completely fried from this, hope the ironfolks stop for some hard calories.They did have mile markers out today, but unfortunately the were almost all off. That was really pissing folks off, as the only reason to have a marker, is to be able to use them for your pace. Couple guys i rode with did a 6;30, then a 7;20 without any pace change. I guess i'm glad i didn't have any yesterday after all.

The day here is beautiful, bit chilly in the morning, but perfect running weather. They only had to be ready for a few dozen folks in each race today, so hopefully they will be well stocked. I did notice bananas, cookies, and pretzles at the aid stations, same stuff i buy at costco for my camps. Stopped to talk to some of the aid folks, but over half of them don't speak english. Looks like they robbed the horse venue of many of the employees for the aid stations. This is where having a good local presence would come in handy, a local volunteer force to really do the heavy lifting on the course. No one seemed to be lost, so that is a good thing, just complaints about the rough sections of road. Not really in the RD's wheelhouse, just one of those things we all deal with on courses.

It was super spread out today, one of the rare races you really just get into your own head and just grind it out. I will be interested to hear some more of the RR's of the 1/2 and full, couldn't find Jay out there though.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Based on the report its a total pass for me. Too many good races around to go to ones that don't know what they are doing yet.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry to hear that, but hard to blame you..If they could only take 2 things away, i would give them this advice.. Hire real lifeguards, and lots of them, and listen to them when setting up the courses. 2nd, every corner, turn, turnaround, ect, should have 4 things. Chalk arrows pointing which way to go, cones angled in the direction of the turn, a sign ahead of each intersection saying which way to turn, and lastly a cop or volunteer there working traffic and pointing folks the right way..I have put on over 60 races, and this has saved my butt more than a few times. If a volunteer does not show up, no problem. If the cone guy does not get there in time, no problem. And even if someone stole your sign, no problem because there is still chalk on the ground and people can figure out which way to go.. It is the quadruple backup system, and not really that difficult. Makes your course really idiot proof..
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I can deal with poorly run races, but 150 dollars for a poorly run race just is absurd.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Monty,

First of all, congrats on your race. Thanks for posting the report. It "sounds" like many of the areas of concern can be easily alleviated with some attention to more detail and hiring some guys who have previously directed races, or as a bare minimum, experienced racers.

Personally, I am glad that another organization is willing to invest in the sport. I hope for them, that it is a profitable venture, however, I believe a lot of the points you bring up, that were perhaps almost acceptable when we did our first sprint tris in the 80's are no longer tolerable....the expectations of the consumer also has been lifted as entry fees grew from $25 to several hundred $$$.

You should perhaps synch up with these guys and offer your services as a 3rd party consultant. You could really help them lift their game.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Let me just say dev that they had every opportunity to use my knowledge, and i know the other local RD in town who has been putting on races for 30 years here was also recommended. I never got a call, and don't believe the other guy either. They were so sure of themselves, that they completely isolated themselves from that end of the sport, the nuts and bolts end. They did hire Dave Scott, but it appears it is a figurehead position, as i did not see Dave there anywhere. He is a very smart guy, and i'm sure got paid good too, but they need to add to his job description, course production. Just like many of the racers this morning, they were way in over their heads. I hope they got the hint, i know some of the screeming people that almost drowned did..
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Here is the deal about a national series in any sport coming to the "local community". They need to engage the local sports community. The NHL, NFL, NBA, they get it. The WTC generally gets it too. You need someone on the ground who can link the local franchise to the local influencers/shakers/leaders. This is the fastest path to success, because then you are aligning to the local leadership, which results in more local groundswell support. They can't successfully run a national series by parachuting in and out of the various local communities without big local involvement.....basically put down local roots.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I believe they thought that their horse show experience and connections in each town would get them through. Like i said, a triathlon is not a horse show, and i think they know that now too.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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It is crazy how poorly they executed the event. Considering how much money they spent promoting it, you'd think they would spend a commensurate amount of time and energy planning a good race and anticipating and addressing problems. But they really did a piss poor job across the board. No P.A. system or even bullhorn for the race director when giving instructions prior to the swim start. Inadequate number of lifeguards on the swim. No aid at aid stations. Total lack of visual aids for racers to identify course directions. Crappy post-race food/drink. I do think you guys are spot on about including the local race community in the planning, but a lot of the problems seem so basic that I think this can only be explained by having totally incompetent people at the helm.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I hope they have better support for the long course racers tomorrow.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Monty:

It's too bad we didn't bump into each other, but I did cheer you on as I did the other early cyclists.

As you say, course marking was almost non-existent. Me and my friends were just up the hill from transition, and there were no signs and no chalk. HITS had run and bike in/out on the same path up the hill, and oddly, they even drove event trucks on the road during the race. Four different paths side by side and no chalk, just small orange cones. Most of the time, there was one guy giving directions, but it was so confusing that a pair of runners collided hard, and many cyclists on the way to T2 looked lost and needed help from the crowd.

The context here is hard to miss; this is the same venue as for the Desert tris, and planning should have been expected to be in the same ballpark. I *hope* these will be seen as rookie mistakes when HITS makes a major set of corrections. I want a new series like this to succeed. But today, I'd not optimistic.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
I hope they have better support for the long course racers tomorrow.

The aid stations were out or water early, as if they were already out of tomorrow's supplies. Drinks ran out on early oly people.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Monty......Are you going to go to any of their other races? The reason I ask is it would be good for someone to post in a way to show if there is a positive evolution,,,,,ie.....are they learning from their mistakes and improving.
I still plan on doing the Ft Collins full, its not till the end of July. I am not going to base my decision on their first attempt. Also I am not looking to be pampered, most of what you posted can be taken care of by the athlete themselves being responsible.........by no means do I mean carelessness on their part is accepted.

Thanks Again........................................................If you are observing tomorrow, please post
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Wow that's crazy! So let me get this right, there is a HIM and Full Distance tomorrow? That was disaster wrote all over it!



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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I'm signed up for the Naples race next month - it will also be cold. Hope they learned something from their first event...

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Still contemplating the half in Naples next month. Based on the feedback, the only way I would race is if they offered the 2-for-1.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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their web site is nice.


that's really unfortunate. Seems like a lot of details were missed. I was a bit worried when I signed up for Orangeman this year, as it was his first race director experience. Instead, I was pleasantly surprised. The race was very well done.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [runnerwv] [ In reply to ]
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So far, I felt pampered as I sat on the folding stool provided for tomorrow's long course event.

An improvement I can suggest is to improve lighting. I was literally among the last persons to enter and my bike is racked dead last, furthest away from everything and in the dark. Being able to see in the morning would be nice.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [SallyShortyPnts] [ In reply to ]
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I always take a crappy headlamp just in case....good luck!



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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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OK, despite the somewhat negative feedback to date, I might try to do the Napa event in mid April assuming I am able to bike properly by then (fingers crossed the body comes around). I have a week of biz at my corp HQ in San Jose the week before this race, so it would make it easy to do. I'm fairly self sufficient when it comes to race support, assuming they can get the safety issues sorted out. Does anyone have some feedback on the proposed Napa course....and also, how cold is the water in Napa in April....seems like it might be sub 60F which could be a turn off (for me). Some years, the temps at Wildflower are not even to my liking and that place is much warmer and a few weeks later.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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This is just mind boggling to me. I just don't understand the priorities of some race directors.

It seems to me that the three most important things to have a race are:

1. Safety
2. Properly and well marked course
3. Correct and timely results

That's what the race is....everything else is just BS. Unless you have those three things, how on Earth do you justify anything else? Plus, once you have those three things covered, you will rarely see a complaint. I mean, all complaints come from unsafe or confusing conditions. Has anyone ever complained because they didn't have a stool in transition?

I'm totally in favor of more series and more options for racing, but RD's and promoters are losing site of the basics and trying to hard to be the next big thing without any kind of foundation. Start with the basics and then add the BS....not the other way around.


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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [runnerwv] [ In reply to ]
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runnerwv wrote:
I always take a crappy headlamp just in case....good luck!

Thanks; I packed my headlamp for just that reason. I got into town late. I have not driven what may be a poorly marked course ( and I HATE that) If I get lost on my bike and you never hear from me again, it's been nice to know all you fellow ST'ers!

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
It is great that two guys that have never put on a race, have put up so much to try and launch a national series.

I can't tell you the race schedule, but this was not their first race. They raced most of 2011. Just FYI. Hope it gets better - Mark is an awesome guy.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [tridana] [ In reply to ]
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I can't tell you the race schedule, but this was not their first race. They raced most of 2011. Just FYI. Hope it gets better - Mark is an awesome guy. //

They raced, or actually put on races?? I said putting on races..And I do not know Mark, but he sounds like a great guy, with his heart in the right place..But look, I have put on over 60 triathlons myself, virtually all of them from scratch. But I would not presume for 1 second that i could put on a great horse show, why would I? I would screw it up royally if left to myself. If I chose to do such a thing, first thing is i would hire an expert in the field. And I would not consider someone that teaches riding an expert in staging events with over a dozen rings/venues going on at the same time.. that is what happened here but opposite. I knew it was going to happen, and everyone in this sport that knows anything knew it too. We have been talking about it since this was 1st announced. We hoped that it would not be this way, and somehow they would pull it off. But just like I could not pull off a horse event blind, they cannot just come in here blind and put on a world class event that they are used to. Having raced a few triathlons does just about nothing for your resume to put one on, different animal all together. They have some time now to reflect and get ready for their national tour, let us hope that the success they have had in the horse world, will point them in the right direction in the tri world..
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [runnerwv] [ In reply to ]
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runnerwv wrote:
Wow that's crazy! So let me get this right, there is a HIM and Full Distance tomorrow? That was disaster wrote all over it!

I'll let you know tomorrow night. Doing the 1/2. Seemed like less than 30 doing the full. 138 total between the half and the full, so a very small field for sure. I'll be expecting to be "on my own" out there after reading Monty's report.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
But I would not presume for 1 second that i could put on a great horse show, why would I? I would screw it up royally if left to myself. If I chose to do such a thing, first thing is i would hire an expert in the field. And I would not consider someone that teaches riding an expert in staging events with over a dozen rings/venues going on at the same time.. that is what happened here but opposite.

Well stated.

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devashish_paul wrote:
OK, despite the somewhat negative feedback to date, I might try to do the Napa event in mid April assuming I am able to bike properly by then (fingers crossed the body comes around). I have a week of biz at my corp HQ in San Jose the week before this race, so it would make it easy to do. I'm fairly self sufficient when it comes to race support, assuming they can get the safety issues sorted out. Does anyone have some feedback on the proposed Napa course....and also, how cold is the water in Napa in April....seems like it might be sub 60F which could be a turn off (for me). Some years, the temps at Wildflower are not even to my liking and that place is much warmer and a few weeks later.


Napa course is the same used by Dave Horning (Envirosports) for his "vintage half-iron" he's been hosting for years. Swim will be chilly, probably in the low 60's, it will depend on if we get a warm spell or not in the area. Bike is a challenging mix of hills and road conditions SUCK on about 50% of the course. The section on Silverado Trail is quite nice. If you have ever done Vineman, the beat up parts are a lot like Westside Rd. Heavy wine tasting area so open roads can get busy. The descents are pretty hairy too. Lots of pot holes that have been filled many times over. Run is out and back, large rollers.


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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [SallyShortyPnts] [ In reply to ]
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SallyShortyPnts wrote:
runnerwv wrote:
I always take a crappy headlamp just in case....good luck!

Thanks; I packed my headlamp for just that reason. I got into town late. I have not driven what may be a poorly marked course ( and I HATE that) If I get lost on my bike and you never hear from me again, it's been nice to know all you fellow ST'ers!

If you get to a really big body of water, you're too far west. Ha ha.

Good luck to you and TriBodyBoarder Jay!!

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Here we go, again!. Anyone can be a race director. All it takes is a couple of cones, a stop watch and a body of water and bingo! Call me a triathlon race director. Believe it or not, it really is a profession, one that requires planning, logistics, experience and common sense.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [trackie clm] [ In reply to ]
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trackie clm wrote:
SallyShortyPnts wrote:
runnerwv wrote:
I always take a crappy headlamp just in case....good luck!


Thanks; I packed my headlamp for just that reason. I got into town late. I have not driven what may be a poorly marked course ( and I HATE that) If I get lost on my bike and you never hear from me again, it's been nice to know all you fellow ST'ers!


If you get to a really big body of water, you're too far west. Ha ha.

Good luck to you and TriBodyBoarder Jay!!

I think that I'll be fine on the bike as well because Phil Casanta of Hypercat Racing wrenched my bike into its best form. Thank you Cathy for introducing him to me. If only I could be in the shape of my bike :-/

As a swim race cap collector, I would have liked to have a souvenir cap that had the race logo on it. Next race, I hope they will advertise in such a way that I can remember the race when I'm doing laps at home after it's over.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like they may have underestimated the scope of the events a little bit.

I sincerely hope that they use what they learn from this weekend and make the rest of their events awesome. I think there is enough support to sustain their series and if they offer a superior experience, and multiple race options as part of their events they have a shot at being a successful and well respected alternative to the WTC, similar to REV3.

Maybe the race directors will now accept the offers such as yours and accept input from seasoned veterans.


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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Monty, thanks for the report -- the race organizers clearly are in over their heads. After I read the race guide, which prominently featured biographies of the HITS "big three", the fact that the athlete's briefing was mainly a "we're awesome... oh by the way, there's a race tomorrow" -- does not surprise me.

More bite, less bark, HITS peeps!



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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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if they can't run a sprint i am worried for the long course folks' safety. good luck to them today
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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About to leave my safe, warm hotel and head into the maw. It's 34 degrees outside and the lake is probably low 50s. Hey, it's an adventure, right?

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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So is this a sanctioned series by USAT? If so when will our national governing organization stop sanctioning these total rookie events?
No direct assault on the HITS team but come on. We will saturate the market again in each venue/city and get a less than stellar race from an RD without even the basics?

Hire an serious RD and re-start!

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [TriBodyboarder] [ In reply to ]
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Good luck Jay. I recall that they posted on bt that they were going to be offering some amenities comparable to wtc when we were talking about the $600 entry for the IM. Be interested to hear how it goes
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [Stindiana] [ In reply to ]
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Stindiana wrote:
So is this a sanctioned series by USAT? If so when will our national governing organization stop sanctioning these total rookie events?
No direct assault on the HITS team but come on. We will saturate the market again in each venue/city and get a less than stellar race from an RD without even the basics?

Hire an serious RD and re-start!

If they are sanctioned by USAT then they were clearly in violation of USAT kayak and swim safety personnel requirements, at least based on the descriptions in this report and the other HITS swim debacle thread.

Failure to even mark the course blows my mind, but stuff like that is easily rectifiable and I'm sure they'll get their act together fast once the negative feedback comes in.
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Let me just say dev that they had every opportunity to use my knowledge, and i know the other local RD in town who has been putting on races for 30 years here was also recommended. I never got a call, and don't believe the other guy either. They were so sure of themselves, that they completely isolated themselves from that end of the sport, the nuts and bolts end.

Monty, thanks for the report. Joe (and other locals) have had the same impression. The organizers actually called Joe in their initial planning. We used to show horses at HITS, so our trainer recommended they contact Joe. After the initial phone call, Joe never heard from them again. Joe has organized many races here and is well known in local government. He has raced a few races as well. ;-) He could have been a great asset. The Naples race is next in January and Joe will not be racing as he was hit by a car a couple of weeks ago. We may go spectate, it will be interesting if they make any changes before then.



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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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Please report on that one when you spectate.........Thanks
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, please let us know how that one goes. And, send Joe some healing vibes from the car incident. :)
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the report!

I'm bummed about the conclusion but not surprised. One of my triathlon rules is to never do an innagural triathlon for just these reasons. Triathlons are complicated affairs and directing one is an art and science that can only be "mastered" through experience....

I hope they survive until next year as I would be interested in doing some of their events in 2013 and beyond....Until then, I'll grab my popcorn and look forward to other reports....

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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I totally agree.
Each venue will offer its own set of challenges so I think it is a reach to think that HITS Cooperstown (for example) will be any more or less of a clusterfark than their earlier races. There are more than enough well established races around that I see no reason to enter first year races. I wish HITS well and after a year under their belt, maybe I'll consider them based on their record.


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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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My girlfriend and I plan to make this our first long course event... A little worried that it will totally ruin it for us if they do not work out the kinks. It is not like we are competitive or anything so I am not worried about a few detours, but I also don't feel like drowning too much.

The water here is always cold imo. In April, it will be warmer than most places but that doesn't exactly mean it will be skinny dipping temp. We plan on doing some practice at the actual lake because we live in Berkeley and have a friend in San Rafael so I can post some details on the course hopefully before the race comes up. We will probably end up training on the actual sections just to get everything nailed down tight. Hell, maybe I will spray paint some markers myself because I always get lost even with a q sheet.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [TriBodyboarder] [ In reply to ]
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Are you done yet? I don't know how much longer I could wait for a LC race report. Just kidding, hope everything went smooth and your race was fast aand safe.
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Support Crew,

One can only hope they kept Joe's phone number and am planning to use his vast experience when they start planning in earnest. If they don't call him back, I'll bet half a paycheck that HITS doesn't make it to year two.

And my best wishes to Joe for a speedy recovery -- I depend on him to set the benchmarks for us "60 will be the new 40" generation!



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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [ssn759co] [ In reply to ]
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I think they believe they can handle it on their own. Only time will tell, but Triathletes are a unique breed. They are used to well run races. You can say what you want about WTC and other well organized series, but they are run like clockwork with very few problems. The bar is high and I hope they didn't get the cart in front of the horse. It will be hard to gain interest if the first few are bad. Triathletes can be very unforgiving -for good reason I might add.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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Just updated some observations of todays races in my original post..

And Sue, tell Joe to take it easy, rest that heart of his, and plan for next spring. I hope they do call him, but it is late already for this race coming up, and not sure if they will get it. I meant this thread to be constructive and not personal, but no telling how they will take it. I'm just glad to be back in the saddle again, looking forward to meeting Joe at some olympic somewhere..
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [Stindiana] [ In reply to ]
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So is this a sanctioned series by USAT? If so when will our national governing organization stop sanctioning these total rookie events?
No direct assault on the HITS team but come on. We will saturate the market again in each venue/city and get a less than stellar race from an RD without even the basics?

Hire an serious RD and re-start!

I was glad to read Monty say that Charlie Crawford was there to see it first hand. It would be great to hear his conversation with the RD and USAT Headquarters.

My guess a lot of changes will occur to ensure their races conform with the provisions of the sanction. The Few lifeguards and watercraft, along with the aid station issues are most troubling to me.
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I did the Olympic distance race yesterday with my Daughter (her first) and my two son-in-laws. I agree with several of the posts about some of the issues, but we had a good time and enjoyed the event. I think several of the areas for improvement have already been mentioned, so let me just say a few things about what I liked about the event:
  • Venue location was really cool. Right up next to the mountains. Temps were colder than normal yesterday, but I think otherwise the temps would have been perfect for a race this time of year.
  • Lake water was definitely cold but clarity was good, could easily see feet and bodies around you. Compared to Tempe Town Lake, much better place to swim. I personally liked the 2 loop out and back course and I liked the beach start. I have never done a race where I got out for a second loop. It was nice to check my time and then see where I was in the pack. As mentioned, they definitely needed more safety support.
  • Bike was pretty windy on the way back so it was not as fast as it could have been. On a calm day the bike will be very fast. Pretty nice roads most of the way except for the last couple of miles before the turn-around.
  • I really liked the run course. Once you left the lake area, I liked the long stretches of flat with basically only one turn before the turnaround. I could see who was in front of me try and pace off them. The last mile or so of the run was challenging because you had to climb back to the lake, but overall it seemed like a very fast run course.
  • I liked the transition area, I liked using the boxes for the bike instead of the typical racks. Seemed like there was more room than the typical set-up with the racks. Having the stool was nice, I used it for both transitions.

I would definitely do it again and I hope they make the necessary improvements to make it better the next time.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [karma] [ In reply to ]
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Karma / Dev ... the race that is lined out now for Napa is not the same as the Envirosports race ... the current HITS has portions of the original and current Enviro/Horning course but they are different:
* Swim ... they will likely be similar since it's the same T1/T2 venue
* Bike ... in some senses they go different directions ... the HITS bike course has some pretty dangerous spots on it (especially for the FULL) ... Enviro course is now a straight out & back toward Middletown and though difficult / desolate it could be a nice improvement over years past (better pavement) ... HITS bike course will have one big ass climb from Silverado Trail to Angwin and. for some, a very dangerous descent to Pope Valley
* Run ... Enviro course is wisely a double out & back while the HITS is 6.5 out and 6.5 back ... that's a long way to go out on that road especially if it's hot

If Dave / Enviro would add 1 aid station to his half IM run course it would be a huge improvement ... and although a "bare bones" race it's a better course especially if you can be self sufficient w/ calories

Honestly (after Palm Springs) I'm currently a little concerned about the safety of the HITS half & full races @ Napa. I'm still gonna wait to see how the other races evolve but if I had to choose right now based on HITS #1 I'd pick the Envirosports Race

*** We even had some locals here contact them regarding working / consulting on the event and HITS contact openly said they are not hiring local people. hmmmmm

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [trifaster] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Dave. The number 1 reason, why I would not do this race is when a race organization says they don't want to involve the local community. To me, triathlon has always been about the "local sports community". When I race on the road, I feel like I'm a guest of the local sports community, whereas when I go to McDonalds in any town, I don't feel like I'm a guest of the local community, rather visiting a corporate outlet that happens to be in the local community. Even WTC races, even through they are a corporate "outlet" still tie in the local sports community. These guys would benefit from working with the local leaders.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Dev ...

I agree ... the locale for this race makes logistics difficult enough because it is very remote. If I was still involved in race production I'd want to make it easier on myself by getting some local support and developing relationships. For one thing ... there really is no restaurant, convenience store, motel, potable water(?) or vending machine close the the race venue (though resources say that will change in the years to come ... maybe many years) Athletes and spectators need to be prepared for the lack of resources AND/OR the race production team would want to provide resources for them.

I really want races to flourish and provide great opportunities for athletes but nobody wants another sub standard race that can't deliver on what is advertised.

Lets stay tuned to see what happens!

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thanks for the info - really appreciated.

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Thanks for the report!

I'm bummed about the conclusion but not surprised. One of my triathlon rules is to never do an innagural triathlon for just these reasons.

Did you adopt this rule after the 2010 Presidential Lakes triathlon?

:-)

I think you can trust an RD who has put on races successfully in the past to continue to do so in new races. For instance, JS Multisport did a new race in 2010 (Vice Versa) and in 2011 (Double Trouble), both of which were different than normal events, and did so flawlessly.

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Thats about as bush league as it gets right there
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [number114] [ In reply to ]
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Are you done yet? I don't know how much longer I could wait for a LC race report. Just kidding, hope everything went smooth and your race was fast aand safe.

Finished in just under 5:30. Basically jumped in the car 20 minutes later for the drive home. Can't post an RR until I get the kids in bed. My son wants to wrestle (he's 4). Nothing like wrestling after a half IM!

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Good point but it's been a long standing rule for me. With someone like Chuck Sellers....who's done about 400 races I make an exception..still you have to admit that race was a little rough around the edges....

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Oh, and by the way, STer Sailnfast (Fred Gilbert) went under 5 hours in the half to finish 6th overall.

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Way to go Jay, and no doubt i rode along and talked to Fred. I chatted up i think 3rd to about 10th place on the run course. Can't wait for the RR, have a good wrestle!
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Looked at the results, looks like 120 people did the half and 20 are doing the full (or I should say, 20 are shown in the results as having started the run).

Gap between the winner (just under 10h) and last might be several hours... so volunteers may not see anybody at certain times for maybe 20-40 minutes. Wow. That's tough for the organizer, racers and volunteers!


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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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I went to a late afternoon swim at a pool on the run course, and you want to talk about sad, i saw the race director alone manning an aid station. It could have been he was just making sure it was stocked, but it was empty of people. All the stations i saw today just had one person, so I'm sure many will just go on autopilot for the full folks. iF it hadn't hit him that they were alarmingly unprepared, I sure picking up cups from the gutter during the race, and filling up cups to lonely wait for the next person, probably sent the message home..

Good for him getting out there an making sure cups were filled, but not really your job as RD to be doing what the local boy scout troop should be doing..

Oh, forgot that he also had to strip down during my race and paddle out to make a rescue, now that is wearing too many hats..
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Monty,

I really do not have a horse in that race,
but I remember you saying how you always loved it back then. You know, grass roots, finding your own way, being self sufficient. Where'd that go?

I understand that the entry-fees were not grassroots and one could expect to get more for what one pays, but it was your choice to pay up and enter that race EVEN SO you were in the know that it would be a tough go.

To an onlooker it looks a little bit like sour grapes that they didn't "consult" you or the "desert slowtwitch mafia" when putting on a race in your backyard.

And your valid criticism could also be addressed better, although I am sure you personally did let the RD know about your constructive criticism.
Piling on like that is not really helping the cause (triathlon) or the event.

As I said, I don't know these guys at all, and have absolutely no personal or professional interest in HITS (?).
But SoCal should have more races in the winter.
If I were you I would do everything to support that somebody tries to have a couple of winter races there, if I would still live down there (how about volunteering instead of chatting up the 10 front guys?).
In that context, when are You (collective) putting on a race in that area?
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You are right, a lot about the old days i miss. What i have never said is that i miss all the mis marked courses i got led off on. Even in my very 1st races in 79, there were tons of lifeguards, real ones, and that has not changed as a need, in fact gotten more serious over time. There are still events that are basic, but so are their costs. This was not a cheap race, but came off as one. And i have no sour grapes at all, i said up front that i want these guys to survive and thrive. I love the idea of what they are doing. It just didn;t go as they planned or advertised, by a lot. I never asked for a job from them, although someone else recommended me as someone to maybe talk to. I felt all along that they should have hooked up with Greg Klein, a guy that has been putting on races since the mid 80's, and uses that exact same venue several times a year. He was the logical go to guy, and that is the 1st thing i would have told them.

As to me volunteering, i would have loved to been involved. But i never got that call after they were told that i could be a resource. I would have loved to head up the lifeguards, i after all was a professional for 30 years, and race directed over 60 races and had to deal with the water situations. But they were confident in their own abilities, and as you have seen from other posters, have not counciled local knowledge in triathlon at several of their venues. And nice cheap shot at me today, so here you go. I have a 4 month old son, and i get a couple windows to get out of the house and try and get in a workout or two. I decided to do my easy after race ride on the course just to have a look, and got exactly an hour to get in a loosen down swim before my wife needed me to watch the baby.. How was your day??

And i'm trying to support these guys. I paid my big entry fee, and did my race. I could ignore everything i guess and just live with my head in the sand, but if you know me at all, it is not my style. Stuff was going to come out one way or the other, did you see the other thread?? I prefaced mine with a disclaimer at the front that none of this is personal. And whether this is going to helpful or not, it is up to them. If they get all defensive, it will not be good. Best bet is to just make an apology, and promise to make some big changes for future races. They are not going to be dead just because of this, in fact if you read through here, there is a lot of support and hope for them. You are right, we need as many winter races as possible, let's hope this false start gets corrected.

And to your last point, I'm in some talks about a small race series here in the coachella valley, I will keep this site up to date on any progress.
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I understand and respect your honest motives and you at least have earned the right to criticize them.
Otherwise; I just wouldn't do my "warm-down" on an active race course... and would have reached out to the organizers if I had the time and were there anyway.
Just speaking hypothetically, of course.

Asking about my day?
An hour bike commute each way to and from work up and down the chilly SF bay peninsula.
But I am glad I have a job I somewhat enjoy and can pay my bills. Not complaining.

Thanks for asking.




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Monte, I'm writing just to confirm and share....this is the story I got from one of my athletes and it seems to jive with the lack of direction on the bike course that you experienced. But let me first say...yes, I hope they succeed, yes, I think the mico-mini freebie race is great, yes, I know they'll get better fast - just look at what you described from day one to day two.

I"m coaching a young guy, he's solid and doing well. He had a goal of going under 2:05 at the Oly yesterday at HITS. He swim a 20 min swim and is second out of the water. He has a fast T1 (he just finished racing a season as a Junior Elite in DL races so he's quick in transition). He's first out on the bike and there's NOTHING! He's studied the maps, he pre-road the course, he knows the golden rule of triathlon: "it's the athlete's responsibility to know the course".

So he is heading out to the turnaround...he's on 66th and makes a right on Harrison - as the map has shown, as it still shows now. He even told me that as he approached that intersection there was a cop resting against his car and that the cop was sort of surprised to see him, but you've lead enough races to have experienced that sort of thing. The cop gestures toward Harrison and that's in sync with what the athlete knows. So he's riding up Harrison and riding and riding and he KNOWS the turn around is before 72nd but arrives there without seeing any one or any thing. So he suspects something is amiss. He turns around, heads back on the course (it's an out and back). He turns off Harrison and back onto 66th and ~100m down the road sees a volunteer and some cones set up to guide the athltes up a road that comes prior to Harrison (as I look at the map, I think that's Nena Dr). Keep in mind, this volunteer and those cones were not there when the athlete arrived at that intersection leading the race.

So now he's pissed and in the "heat of the moment" and pushes his limit of 290w to 340 to try and make up. He's crushing it - comes out of T2 with his hair on fire, striving to make his goal and blows up at mile 2 and is so bummed that he just walks back to transition. Done.

I"m curious if anyone on the forum was early in the Olympic race had heard anything about the course change and/or saw the turn get set up at 66th and Nena.

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No offense, but your athlete needs to learn not to thrown "wattage tantrums" in a race. And he needs to learn to suck it up and finish a race even when he's hurting and not going to make a specific goal.

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There is something to be said for that but he's young and impetuous. His goal yesterday wasn't to avoid a DNF, his goal is to go fast and do well or bust and did just that.

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I understand and respect your honest motives and you at least have earned the right to criticize them.
Otherwise; I just wouldn't do my "warm-down" on an active race course... and would have reached out to the organizers if I had the time and were there anyway.
Just speaking hypothetically, of course.

Asking about my day?
An hour bike commute each way to and from work up and down the chilly SF bay peninsula.
But I am glad I have a job I somewhat enjoy and can pay my bills. Not complaining.

Thanks for asking.

I don't think you understand how "active" the race course was with the small number of racers. My Sunday morning ride included part of the bike course. The riders were so spread apart that it was, by no stretch of the imagination, in any way whatsoever, intrusive or disruptive to the racers to be riding on the same streets. We would see one guy, then, like five minutes later, someone else. These roads were completely open to traffic, with no cones or other indications that it was a race (except at turns, where there were police and/or volunteers directing traffic and racers). There is a bike lane on most of these streets. This route also mimics a cycling route very popular on weekends here, so it is no surprise that cyclists would do their normal Sunday ride on the race route.


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monty wrote:
Just updated some observations of todays races in my original post..

I'm just glad to be back in the saddle again..

As am I. My race today went well and I had a lot of fun enjoying SoCal at its best. The horse is beaten totally dead (pun intended) about the lifeguards, so I won't go there. At low-mid 50's degrees, the water was challenging and I momentarily thought about abandoning before even starting to race. However, I was less than 30 seconds from the starting whistle at that point and suddenly I was racing.

My contribution to constructive criticism is that the RD should buy some chalk or duct tape to better mark the bike course. I ride pretty steep and since I'm so small, I only see about 10 feet in front of me when I'm aero. Having markings on the road where my eyes are would lessen going off course. The cardboard direction signs blew over and there was no indication of which way to go towards the end of the ride. At times, bikes were going in all directions at intersections and the course was full of turns.

Having correct mile markers would definitely improve the racing experience on the run. The final mile was close to 1.5 miles long.

The aid stations could use sun tan lotion and vaseline for chafing. These suggestions would turn a good race into a great race and keep people coming back.

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Way to go Jay, and no doubt i rode along and talked to Fred. I chatted up i think 3rd to about 10th place on the run course. Can't wait for the RR, have a good wrestle!

Monty, I thought that was you on the white/red Cervelo. I was running side by side with another guy and you came by around mile 8 or so...thanks for the chat as I was really hurting around then, but finished strong.

I'll post some detailed feedback on my race later. You make some very good points that I completely agree with you, but know these guys will work to improve. After the finish one of the race staff was asking the top 7 or 8 guys for candid feedback. He was really appreciative and was even going to try and resolve a few things immediately. With the deep pockets these guys appear to have (hello 7 figure ad budget) and their enthusiasm I'm hopeful they can fix these issues and survive. Time will tell.
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Oh, and by the way, STer Sailnfast (Fred Gilbert) went under 5 hours in the half to finish 6th overall.

Jay, great seeing you today and congrats on a solid race!
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I did the full and finished in 9:57. It was quite a tough day out there with really no fast splits to be had despite being the flattest course in history. Wind was a bit weird and swirly and picked up a bit on the second loop. Anyway, here is some of my feedback regarding the race.

  • I'm going to have to echo the sentiments that there were sketchy points in the bike where it was a bit unsafe, but some of this had to do with cops just getting bored due to the tiny field size.
  • Excellent transition area with nice racks for bikes and stools for changing.
  • No calories on the bike, just water and pretty inconsistent volunteers but they were quite new to triathlon I think. I was basically self supported and it completely shelled me on the bike.
  • Great scenery and nice temperatures for a full distance race.
  • Parts of the ride were really rough in terms of road surface, but hey...that's racing.
  • For the run, my main issue was no coke at the aid stations. I was nearly a dead man by mile 14, trying to suck down broth and that Heed crap. I mentioned this to the aid station volunteer and she radioed the race director who stocked about five to six aid stations with coke and had it to me within a half mile. It was incredible and saved my race. They heard the feedback and reacted immediately. Awesome.
  • The mile markers were off on the bike (slightly) and the run significantly which was very frustrating at "mile 20".
  • The volunteers and race staff were incredibly friendly.

It was overall a good experience at a race that definitely had some growing pains but the staff seems very invested in taking feedback and implementing it. Turns out, it is very tough to do a solo full distance race. Quite a bit of pain out there. The finish line was awesome, the staff and crowd were hyped up, and snapping the tape was something I won't forget. I will be doing a HITS race again.
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Absolutely amazing! You guys that did the full, with such a small field, were truly lone soldiers out there! My hat is off to you!

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [severinj] [ In reply to ]
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Ya, really nice effort out there, it will be a race you always remember for sure. Just riding the entire run course in my easy spin yesterday I was thinking how hard it was going to be to have already run it once, and then start it all over from the beginning again. Good you were pretty fast too, it would have been very lonely in the dark. Did you have a GPS for the run, just curious if it was 26.2 or there about. And glad you got your coke too, i have been there many times, and that is all i can drink, and what i need to drink to just stay upright. There was a little old market on the course and as i passed i wondered if anyone jumped in and told the owner they would gladly pay them monday for a coke on sunday..(old popeye joke)
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [severinj] [ In reply to ]
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Nice race report and I echo Jay's sentiment that you had to be made of 'tuff stuff' to be out there so long by yourself. I passed you in my car and the expression on your face said that you were suffering.

Congratulations on finishing so well and like you, I will be back next year for their championship race.

DFL > DNF > DNS
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [severinj] [ In reply to ]
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Hey i was just looking at the results, and it is like a time machine. You had 12 men finishers and 1 woman. I believe that is the exact number, or very close to the 1st and 2nd ever hawaii ironmans on Oahu. Only your time would have destroyed that field back then, but of course they were riding Schwinn Varsities, swimming in speedos, and running in real tennis shoes (-;

Once again nice effort for all who did that race, the solo suffering must have been intense, but the reflection will be all the better for it..
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [monty] [ In reply to ]
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So what are the odds that this last's until Hunter?

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Haha! Love it :)

Yeah I think I underestimated the difficulty in doing it solo...
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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So what are the odds that this last's until Hunter?//

I believe that they are pretty well funded for the 1st year, they just need to get the priority on where to spend that money in line with their core mission, putting on great races. All the other fluff that cost $1;000's of dollars is just wasted if you do not get the basics first. So i give them good odds in making the changes and forging ahead. The next event will be key of course, they won't get as much slack if they screw that one up..
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [monty] [ In reply to ]
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any word on what the awards were like?
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for sharing!
Sounds like a lot of the crappy stuff could be fixed after they get some EXP. Hopefully the races will get better and better.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [BeastTri] [ In reply to ]
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The awards were about 1" thick plexi plaques, maybe 4"x6". And considering they went 3 deep for every single age, they got through it fairly quickly. I don't get a lot of hardware so it was worth sticking around for. Hey, my first 1st place finish in the half distance.

Craig
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
... I'm in some talks about a small race series here in the coachella valley, I will keep this site up to date on any progress.

Excellent.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Monty

Thanks for the great race recap, and congrats on a strong finish. This was only my fourth overall Tri, and only my third at the Olympic distance. I will say, that I was a little unnerved by the panicked sprint participant who clearly was not getting the help that she needed. It seemed to me that the kayak lifeguard was waiting for someone else to provide assistance. For an inexperienced open water swimmer, this was not the kind of scene that gave any sense of confidence.

I am thoroughly disappointed, as it appears that my timing chip did not work correctly and they have posted no time for me on the results page. I have emailed them twice, but have received no explanation. After paying $150, and traveling from San Luis Obispo to participate, i would at the least expect an emailed response letting me know that they are looking into it.

I did enjoy the race overall. The swim was cold, but nothing worse that Wildflower in early spring. I can appreciate that this was the first event, and I certainly hope they take note of some of the errors made and correct them in their coming events.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [Tris2Flies] [ In reply to ]
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congrats dude. hardware is always nice!
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [BeastTri] [ In reply to ]
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from the sound of it, it seems like the directors have an ego to let go of. how can someone start something like this without the help and direction of hundreds of others who have directed races like this 1000s of times. i was really thinking about doing one of the races this year, but i will hold off for a few years till they get organized
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [cliffk110] [ In reply to ]
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cliffk110 wrote:
from the sound of it, it seems like the directors have an ego to let go of. how can someone start something like this without the help and direction of hundreds of others who have directed races like this 1000s of times. i was really thinking about doing one of the races this year, but i will hold off for a few years till they get organized

Might want to do one sooner, if they don't get their #$*^ together by race #3 it's over.


Dave Stark
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [cliffk110] [ In reply to ]
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cliffk110 wrote:
from the sound of it, it seems like the directors have an ego to let go of. how can someone start something like this without the help and direction of hundreds of others who have directed races like this 1000s of times. i was really thinking about doing one of the races this year, but i will hold off for a few years till they get organized

You're falling for the misinformed Slowtwitch beat-down. I was there last weekend racing. Overall, the long-distance racing was fine and these people have a boatload of money. They were extremely friendly and open to my and others' feedback on how to improve the race series. My experienced bet is they aren't going anywhere but up from here in triathlon visibility.

DFL > DNF > DNS
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [SallyShortyPnts] [ In reply to ]
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You're falling for the misinformed Slowtwitch beat-down.//

Hey Sally, not sure what you mean by misinformed. I started this thread to voice my experience, and for others to post up their "direct experience" from their races. I did my best to not make it personal, as most who raced did. Others that did not race, this is of course a different story, but we did not get too much off topic i believe. Glad you had fun out there, as did i in my race. But to say nothing went wrong on your day is just not true. Go read the reports again of all that did those races, and there is much constructive advice for these guys. It was just really a blessing that there were not a 1000 people racing on sunday.

Anyway time to move on and let them get to the next event, hopefully fully loaded to put on a safe event.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [karma] [ In reply to ]
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karma wrote:
cliffk110 wrote:


Might want to do one sooner, if they don't get their #$*^ together by race #3 it's over.

This is more of what I had in mind. I do not believe that the series is going to be gone in 3 races. They definitely should be taking more advice on better race experiences for participants from experieced veterans like you, Monty.

I walked up to Tom Struzzri's right-hand man who asked me how HITS capuld make things better; I told him 4 things which he wrote down. My client is going to the Naples, FL race in January and I will be interested to see the metamorphosis of the series, particularly with regard to more lifegaurds. He will be racing the Oly on Saturday.

DFL > DNF > DNS
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly **UPDATE day two races [SallyShortyPnts] [ In reply to ]
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Sally wrote "these people have a boatload of money" and that do what?

Ironman has a lot of Money to, may i remind you how many screw up they had in the past 18 month, Miami, New Orleans, cancel 5150 with 700 people,

money doesn't help, if you are not working with your head, Getting advice from Monty doesn't help,(no offence Monty) unless Monty was or his a race director, the organization of a event has nothing to do with been a athlete.
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SallyShortyPnts wrote:
karma wrote:
cliffk110 wrote:


Might want to do one sooner, if they don't get their #$*^ together by race #3 it's over.


This is more of what I had in mind. I do not believe that the series is going to be gone in 3 races. They definitely should be taking more advice on better race experiences for participants from experieced veterans like you, Monty.

I walked up to Tom Struzzri's right-hand man who asked me how HITS capuld make things better; I told him 4 things which he wrote down. My client is going to the Naples, FL race in January and I will be interested to see the metamorphosis of the series, particularly with regard to more lifegaurds. He will be racing the Oly on Saturday.

I think someone posted earlier that they have the funding in place to run this year. My interpretation of the bolded statement is that if HITS doesn't make/fails to make changes then participation will wane heavily. I don't think they will ever have no entries, as the whole triathlon community isn't on ST, but word travels fast. Personally, I would love to see another national race series like USTS. Plus, they've planned to stop in Ft Collins, which is "local" for me.

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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [slo_tgun] [ In reply to ]
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Just a quick note. HITS and Innovative Timing are absolutely fantastic folks. They responded to my concerns over not having a time posted with a team effort to work out the problems. They provided continual email correspondence as to what they were doing, and pulled out all of the stops to figure out the problem and correct it.

They could have easily blown me off as the bottom dwelling age grouper that I am, and gave it a half hearted effort, but they did not. I am very appreciative that they took my request very seriously and applied all of their resources to getting this resolved.

I hope they work out the kinks and maintain a successful race series. I for one will be back at this event next year.
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Re: 1st HITS triathlon, the good, the bad, the ugly [slo_tgun] [ In reply to ]
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That's good to hear. I said that the timing company did a great job getting real time results up very quickly after the race, only problem, there was no run split in their software. Later that night all of a sudden there were run splits, so guess they got the message and fixed it. Like you say, hope the rest of the team responds as well as the timing company did..

I too would love to do this race again when it comes around next year. I love these winter races, they help keep the motivation levels up during the cold months.
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