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Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'?
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This should raise some eyebrows if this is adjusted for wave start
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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Certainly raised my unibrow. I don't trust this guy.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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windschatten wrote:
This should raise some eyebrows....again

A proven pro Tour doper excelling at Tri, where there is virutally no testing?
Where have we seen this before?....

That's a shocker.

(and not even the good kind)




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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
A proven pro Tour doper excelling at Tri, where there is virutally no testing?
Where have we seen this before?....

That's a shocker.

(and not even the good kind)


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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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James B and/or Daniel S will beat him at Kona.



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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [M.AMMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The guys got some chops....you have to tip your hat to him.

Until you can provide he's cheated he's the winner.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Beachboy] [ In reply to ]
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Beachboy wrote:
The guys got some chops....you have to tip your hat to him.

Until you can provide he's cheated he's the winner.

Presumably you're kidding...

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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almost makes me sad my parents never doped me when I was younger...

edit: one in the pink
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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I hope this guy is made to feel VERY uncomfortable at awards today.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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I am all for busting on this guy as he is a proven doper.

However, the bigger issue in my mind is that the AG race is largely untested both in competition and OOC... so the assumption that this is the only AGer with a doping history, or that even the assumption that only a very few AGers are doping seems silly to me. We just don't know, as they are not tested like the pro's.

AG racing is sort of the wild west. No testing (by and large) means it's hard to assume the positive or the negative.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, Colom outbiked Gomez by two and a half minutes, and even road faster than the best pro bike split of Sanders by 34 seconds. What's that phrase again..... oh yeah: NOT NORMAL.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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Someone needs to Sam Gyde him at awards!

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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+1000

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Bryancd wrote:
Someone needs to Sam Gyde him at awards!

Oh agree completely. It's going around FB at this moment ;-)

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Fred D] [ In reply to ]
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At this level of AG competition having a 6 min lead means he was riding/running circles around some of the best AG talent out there.

Which brings back up the question why he would not race Pro.

Racing Pro would be a token of good faith.
As that would give his performance (marginally) more credibility, even with the poor testing of Pros. But at least there is some out of competition testing, AFAIK(?).




Fred D wrote:
I am all for busting on this guy as he is a proven doper.

However, the bigger issue in my mind is that the AG race is largely untested both in competition and OOC... so the assumption that this is the only AGer with a doping history, or that even the assumption that only a very few AGers are doping seems silly to me. We just don't know, as they are not tested like the pro's.

AG racing is sort of the wild west. No testing (by and large) means it's hard to assume the positive or the negative.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Fred D] [ In reply to ]
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And Twitter!

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Bryancd wrote:
Someone needs to Sam Gyde him at awards!

Agreed. And the audience needs to be clear, too.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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At this level of AG competition having a 6 min lead means he was riding/running circles around some of the best AG talent out there.

Which brings back up the question why he would not race Pro.

Racing Pro would be a token of good faith.
As that would give his performance (marginally) more credibility, even with the poor testing of Pros. But at least there is some out of competition testing, AFAIK(?).

I agree. I am no fan of Colom and don't think he really should be racing AG, rather he should race pro. My comment was more directed at the unregulated nature of AG racing.

Even #7 raced pro triathlon (and not amateur) after his cycling days...

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Fred D] [ In reply to ]
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That time, especially the bike, is pretty darn speedy. I rode a 2:18 today and can't imagine going about 15-16 min faster - there were a few hills on the course.

I really hope Daniel S does what Sam Gyde did at Frankfurt. Only reason I'd go to awards tonight is to boo.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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I hope you do go and boo. Then cheer your ass off for Burke and Stubleski. The more people like you there, the better!


Edit to say, nice race - great bike split.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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windschatten wrote:
At this level of AG competition having a 6 min lead means he was riding/running circles around some of the best AG talent out there.

Which brings back up the question why he would not race Pro.

Racing Pro would be a token of good faith.
As that would give his performance (marginally) more credibility, even with the poor testing of Pros. But at least there is some out of competition testing, AFAIK(?).




Fred D wrote:
I am all for busting on this guy as he is a proven doper.

However, the bigger issue in my mind is that the AG race is largely untested both in competition and OOC... so the assumption that this is the only AGer with a doping history, or that even the assumption that only a very few AGers are doping seems silly to me. We just don't know, as they are not tested like the pro's.

AG racing is sort of the wild west. No testing (by and large) means it's hard to assume the positive or the negative.

The rumor is that he's going to turn pro next year. Let me count all the ways in which I am excited about that...

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The rumor is that he's going to turn pro next year. Let me count all the ways in which I am excited about that...

I wouldn't worry Jordan. The honest and decent people in the sport such as yourself will always gather more attention and respect from people like myself (and I suspect many others) than ANY former doper.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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That was the rumor last year too. I guess he wasn't done beating up the little kids so needed another year to feed his ego. Still trains like a pro as well ... and in spain its interesting the amount of AG'ers that treat this guy like a hero

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Fred D] [ In reply to ]
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call me naive here but what's the issue?

the guy is a former PRO cyclist. meaning automatically he's close to if not one of the best cyclist in triathlon. my assumption (please correct/educate me if i'm wrong) is that any of the guys on the pro tour (ie anyone from anytime at the tour de france) could likely step in and put out the best ride in an ironman (for me, a top 3 seems to be a safe assumption). why does it surprise everyone that a former professional cyclist is 6 mins faster than the best AG? what's more surprising is that this top AG'er is only 4 minutes slower than someone like a pro (someone said gomez was 2 mins faster than the best pro and 6 mins faster than the best AG, so the difference is 4 mins). that i feel raises more flags than colom's 6 min difference.

not to mention i don't see why people can't earn a second chance. ok, he realizes he needs to dope to race pro, decides he doesn't want to do it and still wants to race. any normal person would look at triathlon and think "hmm, i could do well there without requiring PED's".

the same thing happened when weiss won cozumel, people were up in arms. he seems to be a pretty good dude and is quite transparent with his anti doping passport etc. not to mention he has put in numerous other outputs that place him pretty well.

yeah, he doped, yeah, it sucks. but it didn't hurt you. could it hurt to give someone a second chance? do they not deserve to earn an living as well? especially if they no longer cheat.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [ahhchon] [ In reply to ]
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ahhchon wrote:
call me naive here but what's the issue?

the guy is a former PRO cyclist. meaning automatically he's close to if not one of the best cyclist in triathlon. my assumption (please correct/educate me if i'm wrong) is that any of the guys on the pro tour (ie anyone from anytime at the tour de france) could likely step in and put out the best ride in an ironman (for me, a top 3 seems to be a safe assumption). why does it surprise everyone that a former professional cyclist is 6 mins faster than the best AG? what's more surprising is that this top AG'er is only 4 minutes slower than someone like a pro (someone said gomez was 2 mins faster than the best pro and 6 mins faster than the best AG, so the difference is 4 mins). that i feel raises more flags than colom's 6 min difference.

not to mention i don't see why people can't earn a second chance. ok, he realizes he needs to dope to race pro, decides he doesn't want to do it and still wants to race. any normal person would look at triathlon and think "hmm, i could do well there without requiring PED's".

the same thing happened when weiss won cozumel, people were up in arms. he seems to be a pretty good dude and is quite transparent with his anti doping passport etc. not to mention he has put in numerous other outputs that place him pretty well.

yeah, he doped, yeah, it sucks. but it didn't hurt you. could it hurt to give someone a second chance? do they not deserve to earn an living as well? especially if they no longer cheat.

john

Alternatively he could think "hey they don't do drug testing, what better place to continue my career!"


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