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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [Weimjagd1] [ In reply to ]
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Weimjagd1 wrote:
In the past 3 years I have lost more weight more times than anybody I know. There is nothing anybody can tell me about weight loss that is true that I don't know already.
You're doing it wrong. While fasting might work temporarily for you it would be healthier to figure out how to maintain a healthy weight.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [gregf83] [ In reply to ]
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The subject was weight loss and that is what I shared about.

Maintenance...I could use some work on that.
I have a hellacious sweet tooth and once I get started I don't wanna stop.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [Weimjagd1] [ In reply to ]
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Weimjagd1 wrote:
The subject was weight loss and that is what I shared about.

Maintenance...I could use some work on that.
I have a hellacious sweet tooth and once I get started I don't wanna stop.
I'm suggesting your technique for weight loss is not healthy. It would be much better if you dropped .3 lbs/wk rather than 3 lbs. No extended fasting required.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [gregf83] [ In reply to ]
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The weight loss it self is what's healthy.
The faster it comes off the better. With out fasting, you loose out on a bunch of healthy effects.
For me it is easier just not to eat then to try and restrict portions too much.
I have a very addictive personality, at times it can be a real bitch, but when possible I try to use it to my advantage.

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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [Weimjagd1] [ In reply to ]
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Are you training while fasting?
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [Weimjagd1] [ In reply to ]
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Weimjagd1 wrote:
The subject was weight loss and that is what I shared about.


Maintenance...I could use some work on that.
I have a hellacious sweet tooth and once I get started I don't wanna stop.

Your fasting heavy approach is fairly extreme and appears to be the result of trying to address a completely unstable body weight and serious cravings. Every study of yo-yo dieting that I'm aware of concludes that people who lose lots of weight fast consistently put it back on, and more often than not they put back on more. Extreme "corrections" lead to instability which almost universally make things worse rather than better in the long run. You talk about the sweet tooth and cravings you can't overcome but are you looking at the very high likelihood that you're causing them? Gradual weight loss when needed, based on habituation to a more healthy long term diet, rather than reliance on will power is demonstrated to work. Trying to use "will power" to resist cravings fails, sooner or later.....always. And if it's an extreme diet the backlash tends to be extreme too. It seems to me your experience supports rather than disproves this. No?


I too have a sweet tooth and I enjoy both cooking and eating.
If I try and lose weight gradually, by which I mean maybe 1-2kg a month (0.5-1lb a week), I find my cravings subside and after I get into the habit it becomes pretty easy to maintain. Nothing extreme is involved. I don't skip any meals, I don't cut out any food types. I just reduce portions a little and progressively, and try to avoid sugary foods the majority of the time. I've lost about 3kg (6.6lbs) in the last 11 weeks according to my records. It was a little hard to get started but easy to continue. It's not dramatic, but that's absolutely fine. What's important is that once it's gone, most of it is unlikely to come back. I've lost a few kg each year for the past 6 years. I was a bit overweight (nothing awful) but now I'm in a healthy range. I could do with losing another 3 or 4 kg to optimise performance. I might get there late in the summer, but more likely it'll be next season. The pattern is very reliable - I lose a few kg between February and September and then it creeps part way back up over winter as I ease up on training from October through December, and take some focus off eating well. So far in 6 years, I've never put back on as much as I've lost. I wouldn't be surprised if there's also a natural seasonal cycle to our propensity for weight gain/loss but I've never looked into it. As long as I'm losing 3 or 4kg in summer and only putting back on 1 or 2kg in winter, that's fine. And I'm pretty much at the stage where I've no need or desire to lose more anyway.


Obviously the rate of weight loss I'm talking about may be too slow for anyone who needs/wants to lose a lot, but I'd still suggest keeping things more gradual and avoiding extreme dieting as a rule of thumb. I'm utterly unconvinced by either your method or Dave's
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [gregf83] [ In reply to ]
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yes, but it is just a 30 min aerobic run on the day I don't eat, the following morning it is a small meal of oats and protein 2hrs before I get back to the weights and sbr.
You really don't have to though...the big benny comes from losing the weight. Matt does a great job citing and explaining this in Racing Weight.
If all other things remain constant and you drop weight running becomes much easier/faster.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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svennn wrote:
This article gives the science behind what you have experienced.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/...ass-fasting-part-14/

Wow, great link, thank you !

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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [Ai_1] [ In reply to ]
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"I'm utterly unconvinced by either your method or Dave's "


Take what you can use and leave the rest...
It was a topic I am very familiar with so I thought I would contribute.

If you did want to try it though it would be a win/win situation for you.
Either you win the disagreement or win with weight loss.
I have not met anybody who tried it and regretted it.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [Weimjagd1] [ In reply to ]
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Weimjagd1 wrote:
"I'm utterly unconvinced by either your method or Dave's "


Take what you can use and leave the rest...
It was a topic I am very familiar with so I thought I would contribute.

If you did want to try it though it would be a win/win situation for you.
Either you win the disagreement or win with weight loss.
I have not met anybody who tried it and regretted it.
How would I win the disagreement?
You're hardly going to change your mind if I were to try it and tell you it didn't work.

How would I win with weight loss?
I've already won with weight loss. My results by the sound of it are far more consistent and reliable than yours. I have no need for a new solution.

Never having met someone who has regretted something does not prove the veracity of the something. It's as much a reflection of those who do the thing.

Given the above, I'm going to maintain my skepticism as I'm not sure whether or not you've used any and therefore can't leverage your opinion.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Side tracking a bit. Dave, do you eat anything during your 3 hour workout? Do you start your workout on an empty stomach, finish a 3 hour run, and continue to fast?

Or do you fuel as much as you think you need during the workout, but make sure you don't take additional calories after?
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [bloodyshogun] [ In reply to ]
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Side tracking a bit. Dave, do you eat anything during your 3 hour workout? Do you start your workout on an empty stomach, finish a 3 hour run, and continue to fast?

Or do you fuel as much as you think you need during the workout, but make sure you don't take additional calories after?

I eat a breakfast each morning at 4:30. I then exercise various swim/bike/runs each day for about 3 hours, finish around 8:30 to 9. I would never start on an empty stomach. I am not fasting, IMO. I then each lunch always at 12, dinner at 5:30. Depending on what the scale says each night, the amount of food I eat for lunch and dinner can vary daily.

Now, if I became super hunger, I would eat something, but that generally does not happen.

Now after races, like at Bend last weekend, I eat everything I can find. Have done this for 5 days now since I was on vacation. Will see what the scale says tonight.

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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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On a related note, I would highly recommend that anybody frustrated with weight loss study the role of insulin in the body and learn how to use it to your advantage. Insulin does many things but it is key in fat storage.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the insight. That's a great regime and food for thought for the rest of us. I think that's something I can try.

Based on the title of the post, I wasn't sure how long you avoid food. This provides a lot more context.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [bloodyshogun] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the insight. That's a great regime and food for thought for the rest of us. I think that's something I can try.

Based on the title of the post, I wasn't sure how long you avoid food. This provides a lot more context.

My wife was talking about this on our way back from Bend. Since I am such a bean pole, she was talking to someone who asked what I eat each day.
They were blown away with how much food I eat, both in quantity and quality, and how skinny I can stay. And when we go on trips and folks see how much I can eat, they are just blown away.

Other factors. I live in a 3.5 story house on a hill so I am always walking up and down.

Since I have no desk job, I am always moving, working on something usually outside.

And yep, I never ever would "fast". One needs to start with a good breakfast. No snacks. Portion control. And let the scale be your guide.

Again, the take away from this article and MANY other I read, and article I read from folks who have lost a lot of weight, and kept it off, is
eating after exercise is probably the worst thing one can do for losing weight. And if one is not at race weight, even talking about performance is, well, .....

If you want to be right, do not ask help from poor folks.

If you want to be skinny, why would you ask input from folks over weight?

If I want to get faster on the bike, I sure do not talk to folks who ride slow like me. :)

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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:

They were blown away with how much food I eat, both in quantity and quality, and how skinny I can stay.

Are we talking about the same guy who "hates vegetables", binges on cookies and ice cream bars when the scale reads a bit lower than nornal and seems to believe that Dennys is a health food restaurant;)

Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:

They were blown away with how much food I eat, both in quantity and quality, and how skinny I can stay.


Are we talking about the same guy who "hates vegetables", binges on cookies and ice cream bars when the scale reads a bit lower than nornal and seems to believe that Dennys is a health food restaurant;)

Yep, that is me. Stopped and had breakfast at Denny's this morning on the way home from my vacation at Bend and then Burney. But, I have this feeling of not checking the scale a week, and pigging out the last few days after the race, that no cookies or ice cream for a while. :( And only had a banana for lunch today since I ate everyone's left overs at breakfast this morning. I have NO trouble eating, but racing is more important than food, for me.

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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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bloodyshogun wrote:
Side tracking a bit. Dave, do you eat anything during your 3 hour workout? Do you start your workout on an empty stomach, finish a 3 hour run, and continue to fast? Or do you fuel as much as you think you need during the workout, but make sure you don't take additional calories after?


I eat breakfast each morning at 4:30. I then exercise various swim/bike/runs each day for about 3 hours, finish around 8:30 to 9. I would never start on an empty stomach. I am not fasting, IMO. I then each lunch always at 12, dinner at 5:30. Depending on what the scale says each night, the amount of food I eat for lunch and dinner can vary daily.
Now, if I became super hunger, I would eat something, but that generally does not happen.
Now after races, like at Bend last weekend, I eat everything I can find. Have done this for 5 days now since I was on vacation. Will see what the scale says tonight.

Dave - This eating/workout schedule is pretty much what i was recalling from past threads. So, you're not doing a 3-hr workout on an empty stomach and, while you don't eat right after the workout, you do eat lunch about 3 hr later, then dinner 5 hr after that. Thus you're fueling up with a good breakfast, then refueling with lunch and dinn, with no p.m. workout to worry about since you've already done plenty in the a.m. I think some people thought you were saying you trained 3 hr on an empty stomach, and did not refuel for several hr afterward, which is clearly not the case.


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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
bloodyshogun wrote:
Side tracking a bit. Dave, do you eat anything during your 3 hour workout? Do you start your workout on an empty stomach, finish a 3 hour run, and continue to fast? Or do you fuel as much as you think you need during the workout, but make sure you don't take additional calories after?


I eat breakfast each morning at 4:30. I then exercise various swim/bike/runs each day for about 3 hours, finish around 8:30 to 9. I would never start on an empty stomach. I am not fasting, IMO. I then each lunch always at 12, dinner at 5:30. Depending on what the scale says each night, the amount of food I eat for lunch and dinner can vary daily.
Now, if I became super hunger, I would eat something, but that generally does not happen.
Now after races, like at Bend last weekend, I eat everything I can find. Have done this for 5 days now since I was on vacation. Will see what the scale says tonight.


Dave - This eating/workout schedule is pretty much what i was recalling from past threads. So, you're not doing a 3-hr workout on an empty stomach and, while you don't eat right after the workout, you do eat lunch about 3 hr later, then dinner 5 hr after that. Thus you're fueling up with a good breakfast, then refueling with lunch and dinn, with no p.m. workout to worry about since you've already done plenty in the a.m. I think some people thought you were saying you trained 3 hr on an empty stomach, and did not refuel for several hr afterward, which is clearly not the case.

Bang on. Despite the OP saying that he trains similarly to the description in the article, Dave in fact doesn't do anything similar to the article and has a full meal prior to exercise. The article describes having a cup of coffee or green tea, not full breakfast within the hour prior to exercise.
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h2ofun wrote:
eating after exercise is probably the worst thing one can do for losing weight. And if one is not at race weight, even talking about performance is, well, .....


h2ofun wrote:
Great stuff. Seems like what i hear you saying is the quantity of food you eat more than the when impacts weight.
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If you think it's a matter of calories in versus calories out, why does it matter if people are eating right after exercise? Imo there are a lot of benefits to proper refueling after a training. For one, I'm less prone to snacking on unhealthy (more calorie dense) foods if I refuel. Refueling is something else than pigging out on a bucket of ice cream. And ofcourse you're getting fatter if you eat too much. But proper refueling prevents just that.

Oh, and to add some weight to my argument: I can run faster than most of my teammates.
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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Not responding just to you but to everybody still going on this thread...

There's really no need to attack Dave, when you can very easily just discredit the author of the article. There's a picture of the author rowing in the article which caught my eye as he's showing incredibly poor and frankly dangerous rowing technique (I used to both row and coach rowing). So I clicked on the pic, and sure enough in the comments under it a number of people commented on his technique and his response is "I am aware of rowing technique, this position showed off my abs and lats more!".

I think this says everything you need to know about the author and his intended audience. He's not giving advice for performance athletes, he's targeting people who want to look good on Instagram. Nothing wrong with that (well maybe there is, but that's a whole different conversation!), but it really has no relevance on a triathlon forum.
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ericmulk wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
bloodyshogun wrote:
Side tracking a bit. Dave, do you eat anything during your 3 hour workout? Do you start your workout on an empty stomach, finish a 3 hour run, and continue to fast? Or do you fuel as much as you think you need during the workout, but make sure you don't take additional calories after?


I eat breakfast each morning at 4:30. I then exercise various swim/bike/runs each day for about 3 hours, finish around 8:30 to 9. I would never start on an empty stomach. I am not fasting, IMO. I then each lunch always at 12, dinner at 5:30. Depending on what the scale says each night, the amount of food I eat for lunch and dinner can vary daily.
Now, if I became super hunger, I would eat something, but that generally does not happen.
Now after races, like at Bend last weekend, I eat everything I can find. Have done this for 5 days now since I was on vacation. Will see what the scale says tonight.


Dave - This eating/workout schedule is pretty much what i was recalling from past threads. So, you're not doing a 3-hr workout on an empty stomach and, while you don't eat right after the workout, you do eat lunch about 3 hr later, then dinner 5 hr after that. Thus you're fueling up with a good breakfast, then refueling with lunch and dinn, with no p.m. workout to worry about since you've already done plenty in the a.m. I think some people thought you were saying you trained 3 hr on an empty stomach, and did not refuel for several hr afterward, which is clearly not the case.

I never ever said I trained on an empty stomach.

I did say I never eat directly after a workout. I just finished 1.5 hours on the bike. No food. After my 1.5 hour run, no food until lunch.

I am just always amazed how some folks read into something that was never stated, let alone attack on it. But, this is the world of fake new and social media, lets not true to seek to understand first, and make sure things are facts before responding, or attacking.

I would never train, or race on an empty stomach. I am just not a pig directly after thinking because I exercised, I can used this as a reason to pig out, ignoring what
a scale shows.

I gained a number of pounds the last few days with no exercise and eating lots. So back to the diet to see what race weight I can get to before Sundays race.

Yep, no PM workouts, other than getting to bed no later than 7 most of the time.

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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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Not responding just to you but to everybody still going on this thread...

There's really no need to attack Dave, when you can very easily just discredit the author of the article. There's a picture of the author rowing in the article which caught my eye as he's showing incredibly poor and frankly dangerous rowing technique (I used to both row and coach rowing). So I clicked on the pic, and sure enough in the comments under it a number of people commented on his technique and his response is "I am aware of rowing technique, this position showed off my abs and lats more!".

I think this says everything you need to know about the author and his intended audience. He's not giving advice for performance athletes, he's targeting people who want to look good on Instagram. Nothing wrong with that (well maybe there is, but that's a whole different conversation!), but it really has no relevance on a triathlon forum.

Wow, someone who looked more at the details. Like most articles, it is talking to 99% of the population, not the 1%ers

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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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"I never ever said I trained on an empty stomach."

You titled the OP- Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss. Your first sentence was- Pretty close to how I train.

Do you not see how one might think that you trained on an empty stomach?



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Re: Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
I never ever said I trained on an empty stomach.

I did say I never eat directly after a workout. I just finished 1.5 hours on the bike. No food. After my 1.5 hour run, no food until lunch.

I am just always amazed how some folks read into something that was never stated, let alone attack on it. But, this is the world of fake news and social media, lets not try to seek to understand first, and make sure things are facts before responding, or attacking.

I would never train, or race on an empty stomach. I am just not a pig directly after thinking because I exercised, I can used this as a reason to pig out, ignoring what
a scale shows.

I gained a number of pounds the last few days with no exercise and eating lots. So back to the diet to see what race weight I can get to before Sundays race.

Yep, no PM workouts, other than getting to bed no later than 7 most of the time.

"Why exercising on an empty stomach is the secret to weight loss [h2ofun]"

"Pretty close to how I exercise. And I do not eat anything after my 3 hour workouts. "

I guess "pretty close" gives you a slight loophole, but only in the world of alternative facts. You link to an article about training in a fasted state to work on fat metabolism. You state that you basically train in a similar way as described in the article. Then you add more info about how you also don't eat after a workout, something not really discussed in the article. Care to explain your alternative facts (ie lies)?
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