Sorry, your comments are not helpful, nor correct. My position has been tested, refined and refined some more. Comfort and power have to be involved in any good bike fit so pure aero is not the fastest, especially over the longer distances. If I only did 10 mile TTs, my position would be much more aggressive.

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you tested the next size up p5 in addition to the one you're on in that picture? i'm impressed.

also, your saddle choice is limiting you.

yep, I used a larger frame for a year, then tried the smaller one. Massive improvement in position. The saddle, sadly is similar to Jordan's issue. I cannot use a noseless one. Coming from 20 years of road racing, I am so used to a normal saddle that a noseless one is so hard to ride, my power drops 15%.

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that's unfortunate. you appear to be reach limited. hence, 8/10.

like it's some big national security secret. you're a hobby time trialist and most of us are hobby triathletes. please.

Now that's what I'm looking for! Lower score means I have more to gain.

I've actually tried narrower elbows but it ends up killing my shoulders around 85 miles in... but I can keep trying with smaller adjustments. And noted on the stack height. I've gradually been tweaking it and seeing it compared to others on here makes that point obvious.

As for the pictures... man they are expensive.

And as a note, this was from my last race at IM Santa Rosa. Pretty hilly, held 214 NP for a 4:51. Sounds like I should have been faster at that power.

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Agreed. Figured you would have docked me at least a point for the Dimond too.

practice make perfect (with regard to elbows). you wanna go just narrow enough that you can still "shrug" and hold a good head position, but not so narrow that you fatigue early and lose the shrug.. that's a solid time on solid power.

oops, my post was a typo...

should have read

-8/10
-1 for head
-1 for chip placement (not in the "faired" position where the chip is behind your achilles/soleus and therefore significantly more aero)
-16 for Dimond ;)

Showing favoritism towards Kiley, eh? -1 for chip placement.

I am living vicariously through Rob Gray. I could post my Chris Boardman style aero position with a look ergostem base bar clamp buried 1 inch above the front tire from IMC 1995 when I was 30 and flexible (or from Wildflower 96 too....bike 2:39 and ran 1:28 that race on a super low and narrow position). Multiple crashes, broken bones, neck and head injuries later, most people's grandmothers going to 7-11 to buy a carton of milk have better positions, but mine was sufficient to get podiums in 50-54 until I stopped racing 2 years ago. Right now, not riding, nor running....so no pictures. Mine is was in the range of David's above but a bit worse. Probably a bit higher maybe more shrug. I did have the same ride and run as Rob did at Wildflower 2015, but Rob was out of shape and I was in shape.

OK, I found one on my hard drive from a few years ago. Its basically a road position, head down with shrug to get around several biomechanical limitations. Saddle is slammed all the way back around 5 cm behind BB to get weight off my shoulders and neck...basically John Cobb's old "big slam".

How bout I get that +1 back for climbing in aero while spinning my 36/25 gear? That's like 9mph aero!

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4-5/10 for that pic/position Dev

Pretty crappy pic, but the position did get me the quickest amateur bike split at Eagleman this year.

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Reminds me of this:

I can beat that...59mm of drop! Sorry for the hijack

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LOL.

Understood. I hesitated to post it on this thread, but fishburn was asking. It is a work around with various mangled body parts from a few substantial accidents and associated head injuries and post concussion symptoms that kick in if things are weighed the wrong way even for short durations. Even something as simple as wearing an aero helmet with ear flaps would give me a headache for a week.

To David's point, it is hard to compare 50 year old athlete positions to 30 year old ones, just like it is hard to compare 50 year old run times to 30 year old ones due to the numerous biomechanical limitations that accumulate over time. A few 50-70 year olds run really well and a few (Joe Boness and a few others) have sustained very good positions with no cervical or lumbar impingements. Th picture was taken was just 2 years after getting evacuated off an IM course in Switzerland with a long recovery during which I had to do simple things like re learn to walk then jog, then cycle due to several nervous system complications. Luckily the engine was good to go when I got most of that working again. At that point there were several work arounds with the big slam.

If I have the pics from 1995, it's pretty well the same as Boardman from that era.

Kileyay, Do you have any pics from the side?
And what's your setup on your Felt. Stem length etc.

What do I win for this competition? I race and train and in this position whenever possible, pretty simple. Jack, Steve, Rob, Sean, and Ryan have all biked faster then me in races I have gone head to head with them in but I have normally raced with way way way lower watts. Jack is closest to me in watts but he is also 20lbs lighter then me. Where do I collect my prize?


Head down pic in link at bottom since i can't work tiny pic tonight very well.



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Right now, I have the 111mm Syntace Flat Force stem -- not sure what the effective angle is, maybe ~ -25 degrees -- with the Enve bar undermount, no spacers, Profile Design F35 cups/pads

Your giving me a run for my money here!

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Define best?

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I am going to 165 and re look at seat position this winter when I get on a new bike. Always trying to get better and find room for improvement.

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Thank you.