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It is defined by each country's national federation. For example, a link to the USA's qualification criteria can be found on the following page.

https://www.teamusa.org/...ership/Qualification
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Born2tri1659 wrote:
I saw recently saw and interview with Bob Babbitt where he interviewed a woman who mentioned she was an " elite " triathlete and was coached by Siri Lindley. There was a number of folks that raised their eyebrows at this claim as she has never finished her run in under 50 minutes and usually is usually well behind 50 and 55 year old women. Her bike is arguably slower than her run. She is either dead last or dnf's in all of her races. Her claim to fame was that she won the elite race in Malibu but upon further investigation, she was the only one in her class. The question that I have is are there no standards for racing elite? It seems this seems very disrespectful for those truly elite athletes that have worked hard at the sport and deserve better.
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Bob W
Deserve better? Is she stealing bread of the table of those truly elite athletes? And who were all these people who raises their eyebrows?
Thats somewhat sarcastic on my part but this is kind of like the WC qualifies question.
If she met some definition of elite then Im fine with her calling herself elite. Im guessing if she is able to race as an elite, then she met her federations requirements.
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Re: What is the defintion of elite [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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Joe Flacco is the definition of elite.
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Re: What is the defintion of elite [theoMop] [ In reply to ]
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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin
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Re: What is the defintion of elite [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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Once again, I'm late to the party! I think an elite is anyone faster than me.
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Re: What is the defintion of elite [test] [ In reply to ]
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Born2tri1659 wrote:
I saw recently saw and interview with Bob Babbitt where he interviewed a woman who mentioned she was an " elite " triathlete and was coached by Siri Lindley. There was a number of folks that raised their eyebrows at this claim as she has never finished her run in under 50 minutes and usually is usually well behind 50 and 55 year old women. Her bike is arguably slower than her run. She is either dead last or dnf's in all of her races. Her claim to fame was that she won the elite race in Malibu but upon further investigation, she was the only one in her class. The question that I have is are there no standards for racing elite? It seems this seems very disrespectful for those truly elite athletes that have worked hard at the sport and deserve better.
Regards,
Bob W

Deserve better? Is she stealing bread of the table of those truly elite athletes? And who were all these people who raises their eyebrows?
Thats somewhat sarcastic on my part but this is kind of like the WC qualifies question.
If she met some definition of elite then Im fine with her calling herself elite. Im guessing if she is able to race as an elite, then she met her federations requirements.


Thank you for quoting this post. That way when OPs get cold feet and delete their posts questioning others we can still hold them accountable.

But to answer their question: Being elite is like porn, I can define it but I know it when I see it

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Re: What is the defintion of elite [Turd Ferguson] [ In reply to ]
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Turd Ferguson wrote:
Being elite is like porn, I can't define it but I know it when I see it

Actually, Elite is what you DON'T see

They're so far up the road that you can't make them out, and they're on & off the podium before you get to the finish line

YMMV

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Re: What is the defintion of elite [theoMop] [ In reply to ]
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Joe Flacco is the definition of elite.

You can't spell elite without Eli
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Re: What is the defintion of elite [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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My dad used to say "the queen doesn't need to tell anyone that she is the queen". I feel the same way about the true elites, they don't need to tell people that they are elite. People just know.

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Re: What is the defintion of elite [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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My measure has always been finished run, had massage, got award, collected cheque, back to hotel, showered, changed, packed bike, cab to airport and in lounge before i have finished the bike
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test wrote:
Born2tri1659 wrote:
I saw recently saw and interview with Bob Babbitt where he interviewed a woman who mentioned she was an " elite " triathlete and was coached by Siri Lindley. There was a number of folks that raised their eyebrows at this claim as she has never finished her run in under 50 minutes and usually is usually well behind 50 and 55 year old women. Her bike is arguably slower than her run. She is either dead last or dnf's in all of her races. Her claim to fame was that she won the elite race in Malibu but upon further investigation, she was the only one in her class. The question that I have is are there no standards for racing elite? It seems this seems very disrespectful for those truly elite athletes that have worked hard at the sport and deserve better.
Regards,
Bob W

Deserve better? Is she stealing bread of the table of those truly elite athletes? And who were all these people who raises their eyebrows?
Thats somewhat sarcastic on my part but this is kind of like the WC qualifies question.
If she met some definition of elite then Im fine with her calling herself elite. Im guessing if she is able to race as an elite, then she met her federations requirements.

We have been having the same pro debate in Australia amongst a few of us after pros finishing 30+ minutes down on a field of 6 at a remote 70.3 race in the world and then saying there should be a some way of supporting them being a developing pro. It seems picking a non competitive race to win your pro card so you can announce to the world I'm a pro, lifting your Instagram game rather than actually being competitive. Then to believe you should be supported because it is unfair the other pros get prize money and can afford to train full time is a joke. I may be strange but I race to prove things to myself based on performance and results...
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Re: What is the defintion of elite [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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test wrote:
Born2tri1659 wrote:
I saw recently saw and interview with Bob Babbitt where he interviewed a woman who mentioned she was an " elite " triathlete and was coached by Siri Lindley. There was a number of folks that raised their eyebrows at this claim as she has never finished her run in under 50 minutes and usually is usually well behind 50 and 55 year old women. Her bike is arguably slower than her run. She is either dead last or dnf's in all of her races. Her claim to fame was that she won the elite race in Malibu but upon further investigation, she was the only one in her class. The question that I have is are there no standards for racing elite? It seems this seems very disrespectful for those truly elite athletes that have worked hard at the sport and deserve better.
Regards,
Bob W

Deserve better? Is she stealing bread of the table of those truly elite athletes? And who were all these people who raises their eyebrows?
Thats somewhat sarcastic on my part but this is kind of like the WC qualifies question.
If she met some definition of elite then Im fine with her calling herself elite. Im guessing if she is able to race as an elite, then she met her federations requirements.

We have been having the same pro debate in Australia amongst a few of us after pros finishing 30+ minutes down on a field of 6 at a remote 70.3 race in the world and then saying there should be a some way of supporting them being a developing pro. It seems picking a non competitive race to win your pro card so you can announce to the world I'm a pro, lifting your Instagram game rather than actually being competitive. Then to believe you should be supported because it is unfair the other pros get prize money and can afford to train full time is a joke. I may be strange but I race to prove things to myself based on performance and results...
I tried to determine who the OP was talking about. I dont think it was dificult. If Im right, the interview was from NYC triathlon where he interviewed a lot of athletes.

The OP does indirectly raise a good point that this poster directly brings up: the ease or difficulty of getting a pro card. It looks like you can get lucky in a non-conpetitive race that otherwise meets criteria of your federation and earn your card thats valid for three years. I guess there are benefits of having a procard with even basic things of ease race entry. However if your finishing time in races you are doing as a pro would put you in the middle of the pack of your age group, then you are probably not elite.

Elite and racing pro does look good on instagram and could help boost your image or profile if you are marketing yourself in another career.
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test wrote:
Born2tri1659 wrote:
I saw recently saw and interview with Bob Babbitt where he interviewed a woman who mentioned she was an " elite " triathlete and was coached by Siri Lindley. There was a number of folks that raised their eyebrows at this claim as she has never finished her run in under 50 minutes and usually is usually well behind 50 and 55 year old women. Her bike is arguably slower than her run. She is either dead last or dnf's in all of her races. Her claim to fame was that she won the elite race in Malibu but upon further investigation, she was the only one in her class. The question that I have is are there no standards for racing elite? It seems this seems very disrespectful for those truly elite athletes that have worked hard at the sport and deserve better.
Regards,
Bob W

Deserve better? Is she stealing bread of the table of those truly elite athletes? And who were all these people who raises their eyebrows?
Thats somewhat sarcastic on my part but this is kind of like the WC qualifies question.
If she met some definition of elite then Im fine with her calling herself elite. Im guessing if she is able to race as an elite, then she met her federations requirements.

As a member of the national federation this athlete belongs to it bothers me to see her taking any media / promotional time from pro's who deserve the accolades for hard work, natural talent and humility. This athlete blamed the lack of an elite heat for her slow swim time at her first 70.3 She had to swim around the age groupers which made her slow. She went on to finish in 6 and a half hours. People say what does it matter? If you watch a professional basketball team would you be content to have average Joe weekend warrior beer drinker on the court with your team? I doubt it.

If she is going to put herself out there as an elite without any results to back the title she is asking for eyebrows raised. True elites work unbelievably hard and most get very little reward because of how our sport is structured. This athlete is the opposite. All kinds of sponsorship and attention with no results and is in fact no better than a middle of the pack age grouper. There is nothing wrong with being an age grouper. It's a wonderful way to race and challenge yourself. Have some self respect or at the very least, respect the people who truly are elite by removing yourself from the start list. Be an age grouper and be gracious. Not everyone can be that good, and that's what makes the true elites special.
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test wrote:
Elite and racing pro does look good on instagram and could help boost your image or profile if you are marketing yourself in another career.

So does course-cutting, or having someone run a quick Half Marathon with your bib, to show how fast your are so you can boost your local coaching gig

Yeah, when in doubt, follow the money

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Re: What is the defintion of elite [Turd Ferguson] [ In reply to ]
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I was about to say top 10% of a decently sized field of your peers. But then upon review, maybe that's just "really good." Probably more like top 5%. And then there's consistency... Maybe top 5% out of your peers, averaged over 10 races. One-and-done types can just be lucky and haven't truly mastered something until they can show they can do it over and over again.

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