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Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance
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Interesting. No clip-on aerobars for age-groupers, even though all other draft-legal participants can use them. On the plus side, it doesn't look like they'll be DQing AGers who get lapped on the bike.

http://www.triathlon.org/...es_december20141.pdf
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [surroundhound] [ In reply to ]
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I have a question about these rules. I ride a beam bike and the rules on bike equipent defer to UCI legal biikes, making my Softride Rocket illegal.
Does that mean I would not be allowed to win a podium position (which wouldn't happen anyway), or does that mean they will turn me away and keep my money?
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [seiken] [ In reply to ]
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The rule states: "Non-traditional or unusual bikes or equipment shall be illegal unless
prior approval has been granted from the Technical Delegate, prior to
the start of the competition."


So I suppose you have an avenue to seek this prior approval if you have a "non-traditional" bike frame.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [seiken] [ In reply to ]
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No opting out in ITU.

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [seiken] [ In reply to ]
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seiken wrote:
I have a question about these rules. I ride a beam bike and the rules on bike equipent defer to UCI legal biikes, making my Softride Rocket illegal.
Does that mean I would not be allowed to win a podium position (which wouldn't happen anyway), or does that mean they will turn me away and keep my money?

What I saw at Worlds at Edmonton was folks were turned away and unless they found a legal bike, yep they lost their money. Rules are real clear, so why would one
bring something illegal? I saw some folks having to buy new helmets at the race also.

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [surroundhound] [ In reply to ]
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surroundhound wrote:
Interesting. No clip-on aerobars for age-groupers, even though all other draft-legal participants can use them. On the plus side, it doesn't look like they'll be DQing AGers who get lapped on the bike.

http://www.triathlon.org/...es_december20141.pdf

So does this mean folks basically have to race on a road bike?

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
surroundhound wrote:
Interesting. No clip-on aerobars for age-groupers, even though all other draft-legal participants can use them. On the plus side, it doesn't look like they'll be DQing AGers who get lapped on the bike.

http://www.triathlon.org/...es_december20141.pdf


So does this mean folks basically have to race on a road bike?

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For ITU Sprint distance at the Worlds starting in 2016, yes.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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We had our AG nationals on the same course in 2012, no wetsuit swim meant either you race without the suit or you pack up and leave, no non awards waves in these races. The opt out of awards is a US thing that the rest of the world thinks is candy ass

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
surroundhound wrote:
Interesting. No clip-on aerobars for age-groupers, even though all other draft-legal participants can use them. On the plus side, it doesn't look like they'll be DQing AGers who get lapped on the bike.

http://www.triathlon.org/...es_december20141.pdf

So does this mean folks basically have to race on a road bike?

No, it means you need drop bars without clip-ons and you must use spoked wheels.

All exactly as expected based on standard draft legal rules.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [surroundhound] [ In reply to ]
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So does this mean essentially you will qualify for the 2016 worlds at a non-drafting event only to show up in Mexico to have it changed to a draft legal event?

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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If you're qualifying out of Canada, yes. Not sure what the other countries have planned for their 2015 qualifying races.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [surroundhound] [ In reply to ]
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It's going to be a nightmare if that is the only draft legal race on the calendar. I hope the Canadian triathlon federation (and provincial bodies) have got some draft legal races coming up to help prepare athletes properly.

Thanks for the confirmation on this!

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [Jctriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Jctriguy wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
surroundhound wrote:
Interesting. No clip-on aerobars for age-groupers, even though all other draft-legal participants can use them. On the plus side, it doesn't look like they'll be DQing AGers who get lapped on the bike.

http://www.triathlon.org/...es_december20141.pdf


So does this mean folks basically have to race on a road bike?


No, it means you need drop bars without clip-ons and you must use spoked wheels.

All exactly as expected based on standard draft legal rules.

Yes, you're right -- "road bike" is oversimplified. The equipment description in the rules is very comprehensive, down to the minimum number of spokes.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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cshowe80 wrote:
It's going to be a nightmare if that is the only draft legal race on the calendar. I hope the Canadian triathlon federation (and provincial bodies) have got some draft legal races coming up to help prepare athletes properly.

Thanks for the confirmation on this!

They released a statement a few days ago outlining the process and expectations. A few points in there about athletes assuming full responsibility for being prepared and capable of racing a draft legal event. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds. Much less of an issue now that drop bar setups are required, no worries about AGers crashing on TT bikes.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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TriCan will roll out AG DL in 2016.

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [Jctriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Do you have a link to this? I've been watching the Ontario Tri federation page but I didnt see anything. Also does this mean in 2016 the local scene can be expected to shift to draft legal racing? I would hope this isn't a thing where we Canadians qualify at non-draft races to show up for a different event all together at worlds. Seems like the national body is neglecting AG athletes and setting us up for failure. Shame I was targeting Mexico but this just makes my interest disappear.

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.triathloncanada.com/en/news/latest/?id=3793

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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cshowe80 wrote:
Do you have a link to this? I've been watching the Ontario Tri federation page but I didnt see anything. Also does this mean in 2016 the local scene can be expected to shift to draft legal racing? I would hope this isn't a thing where we Canadians qualify at non-draft races to show up for a different event all together at worlds. Seems like the national body is neglecting AG athletes and setting us up for failure. Shame I was targeting Mexico but this just makes my interest disappear.

I think you'll find that most national federations will have non-draft this year. The season is already mapped out and the rules were just released by ITU. Not much time to throw new age group drafting races into the calendar.

If you want to do well at drafting events, swim more and ride with a bike club and/or do some cycling races. Having 1-2 drafting races a year won't change much unless you are adjusting your training to the needs of the race.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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So does this mean essentially you will qualify for the 2016 worlds at a non-drafting event only to show up in Mexico to have it changed to a draft legal event?

we still have not heard from the ITU on how many folks will be in the race, etc. So much more details needed.

For the US, they will at some point have special DL races to qualify. Nothing set yet.

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [Jctriguy] [ In reply to ]
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I'm more worried that my $11,000 Felt IA will no longer be needed for any of my short course racing after buying it 4 months ago. If all the local races switch to a draft legal format that means I'll only need the one bike assuming Felt AR is UCI/ITU Legal.

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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Isn't IM Florida dl?
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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I'm more worried that my $11,000 Felt IA will no longer be needed for any of my short course racing after buying it 4 months ago. If all the local races switch to a draft legal format that means I'll only need the one bike assuming Felt AR is UCI/ITU Legal.

All the races are not changing to draft legal, it's the sprint distance at the ITU champs that are changing.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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We knew that AG Sprint Champs were going to be draft legal some time ago...

Maybe in 10 years everything will be DL, but it's going to be a slow process.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [cshowe80] [ In reply to ]
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cshowe80 wrote:
I'm more worried that my $11,000 Felt IA will no longer be needed for any of my short course racing after buying it 4 months ago. If all the local races switch to a draft legal format that means I'll only need the one bike assuming Felt AR is UCI/ITU Legal.

I certainly feel for you...

Only sprint races are being changed to draft legal at worlds. Olympic races aren't changing for now. I highly doubt that Ontario will have many draft legal age group events. I'd guess that the big provinces in canada might have 1 a year.

ITU doesn't strictly enforce the UCI bike rules. They don't seem to care about the 3:1 rules or a strict adherence to the position measurements. As long as you have a double diamond frame, you'll probably be fine. Put some drop bars on the IA and race it in a draft legal event.
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Re: Updates to ITU rules re. draft legal AG sprint distance [jaretj] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for all the feedback guys and sorry for my ignorance. This is my first year with the goal of making the Worlds and I wanted to attempt to qualify for both Sprint & Olympic distances to increase my chances. I'm not quite a FOP swimmer which is pretty much a requirement to qualify at Oly distance with the 1500 meters but I'm hoping for a special performance and shooting for the OLY with a grain of salt. Sprint distance is another story since I can make up a 1-2 minute deficit on the bike/run 95% of the time (depending on the field)

Here is hoping the Ontario scene keeps NDL races for the next few years at the short course distances. It would be a shame to have wasted that moola on a bike that collects dust. I can't even do TT events since this thing isn't UCI legal.

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