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Tips for running with a dog please
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Hey ST'ers

Our border collie cross turned one in June so we have started running with her but she sucks at running on the lead. She can run for an hour while my husband mountain bikes so fitness isn't an issue but when she runs on the lead after about 1.5km she starts dragging behind and as soon as I let her off the lead at the beach/park/bush she is sprinting ahead. I'm constantly pulling her up to my side and telling her where to run and praising her when she stays there but it is so frustrating and I know that she is smart so she should have got the hang of it by now.
Anyone else have problems with this or have any tips ?

Thanks!
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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Being both a runner (or at least I try) and Border Collie owner...I wanted to chime in. Yes, fitness and smarts aren't typically an issue with the breed (super smart!). It all comes down to teaching your dog to heel (walking by your side). Once they get the hang of it, then you can work on a jog or a run...but I would master the walk first. Tons of tips on line for heel training...or even better, get a trainer if you can :) Good luck.

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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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My brother makes use of this: https://irondoggy.com/...ice-hands-free-leash

His dog loves running with it
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [dcohen24] [ In reply to ]
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Try running with treats. Reward your dog when it runs next to you. Maybe try this doing this walking first with aim to have a loose lead.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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I've had great success with a gentle leader on an 80# dog. And when we go for a run, we are running, nothing else.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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I have two Vizsla pups, both five years old, they are perfect walkers on the lead... they never pull and behave perfectly. They are also my running partners..... on easy days... very easy days... My girls are just like your collie, they hold up the rear and I can end up pulling on them to keep up. I'll only take them with me if I am willing to run 9:30min mile pace, otherwise if I want to do a real run, I leave them at home. I do have access to a 16 mile trail which I can let them run off leash the entire time, they will then too stay directly behind me the entire time.

I think it has something to do with them associating the leash to meaning that we are the pack leader and they are supposed to follow, not lead.... I could be wrong. I don't have any answer for you as to why, just know you aren't alone.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [DrunkIrishman] [ In reply to ]
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I'm now training my 3rd dog for running off leash. This one is an Aussie Cattle Dog. We live in the suburbs with a fair # of busy streets that we have to cross. We often pass other people walking dogs, cars often drive by, and runners often run by. Rules:
-Not allowed to cross certain streets w/o me. These are the busy streets. If she gets to the street before me, she must sit before entering the street. I will give her an explicit command when we will cross the street.

-Not allowed to socialize with other dogs while we are running.

-Can't go near other people that we might encounter.

-Usually we run in the street, but if I move over to the sidewalk, she must move to the sidewalk to. This is how we avoid cars.

-Can't get further than 30m from me.

It takes a couple months either running or walking every other day to get to the point that the dog is pretty much error free. The last thing that gets fixed is always the distractions. The dog wants to go play with people running around or dogs that are being walked. I do the training with treats. Sometimes I have to put a shock collar on also. The collar responds to a little handheld xmitter.

A lot of people seem to have problems understanding how to train dogs. It's really easy. Every time they do something right, reward. Every time they do something wrong, punish. Often the punishment can be as minor as a very close range "glare" right in their eyes. The important thing is that know that what they did is unacceptable.

Never ever let the dog get away with failing to obey. Have the discipline to resolve this every single time it occurs, w/o fail.nOne way or another, you have to regain control. Usually that just means walking up to the dog and glaring at her. Then say "sit", and she'll prob do it because she knows you're annoyed. If she doesn't do it, shove her ass down on the ground. Then tell her to Stay, walk 10m away, and tell her to Come. This assumes that these are all tried and true commands. If those are not tried and true, she's not ready to be off leash. Now that she is obeying commands again, you've regained control of the situation.

The beauty of the shock collar is that you can apply punishment even tho she is out of arms reach. So if she crosses the street to go play with children and ignored your command "Come", zap her. The shock collar provides a clear link between what she did wrong and punishment. That clarity does the dog a huge service. Another example. Dog gets well out of your designated "range". For me, that's 30m. Instead of calling her, zap her. What you can't do is let her get out of range, tell her to Come, and then chastise her when she gets to you. The reason this doesn't work is that you told her to Come, she did what you asked, then you punished her. If you create situations like that by not carefully thinking thru what you're doing, you'll create chaos and the dog will have no idea what it is that you want.

Some folks wring their hands over the idea of putting a shock collar on their dog. Used correctly, it's a fabulous training aid. It very much helps you avoid confusing, ambiguous situations for your dog, where it's not clear to the dog what they are being punished or praised for. You can set the severity of the shock so it's easy to set it to a level that seems to get the dog's attention w/o really bothering it much. You'll probably find that you have to set it to a much higher threshold than you thought.

After a couple months of training, the treats will go away, and I only need the shock collar maybe once every 6 months. The dog will start pushing the envelope on how far she can wander away during a run and a zap reminds her. One zap and she's good for another 6 months.

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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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I've been running with my dogs for about 16 yrs now. I find it simplest to drive 15 min to a big open park where they can run off-leash. They generally stay with me but often stop to sniff, then catch back up. On warm to hot days, I stop every so often to let them go for a swim. Our park is right along side the Tenn River so it works well for all of us. There are usually lots of other dogs there so they have a big time!!!


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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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Dogs are genetically wired to sprint and stop, sprint and stop. If your dog doesn't want to run a steady pace, I suggest offleash running.

My dog will run on leash with me - but I only do short (<5km) runs with her. If it's at all warm out I find she's more likely to lag behind.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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I have three suggestions, two of which are echoing other posters:

1. if possible, run where your dog can be off leash. If I run 25 miles, my blue tick coonhound runs 50.

2. a gentle leader - it dramatically changes how much they WANT to pull

3. make a loop at the end of the leash with the handle in it and put it around your waist. your core/waist has more resistance than your wrist attached to your arm. Your dog can't pull as much against your waist.

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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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I don't have any help, really. Our 3 yo Vizsla is great on her Irondoggy. She doesn't lag behind, unless we're at 10 mi +, or....it's really humid (after about an hour). Our dog is rarely on a leash.

The reason we are good together might have something to do with MY being slow, though.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [Sanrafaeltri] [ In reply to ]
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Sanrafaeltri wrote:
I have three suggestions, two of which are echoing other posters:

1. if possible, run where your dog can be off leash. If I run 25 miles, my blue tick coonhound runs 50.

2. a gentle leader - it dramatically changes how much they WANT to pull

3. make a loop at the end of the leash with the handle in it and put it around your waist. your core/waist has more resistance than your wrist attached to your arm. Your dog can't pull as much against your waist.

If your standing still, maybe, but while running your body is either on one leg or off the ground completely and even a gentle pull from the dog can alter your balance. If you have a dog that get particularly interested in squirrels or is prone to pulling at all, or slowing down and making the leash taut that way, a waist-leash approach may be uncomfortable. I tried it, I just like having the hand held leash bc it gives me greater control of my dog, but then again I run in a city environment so I need to bring her close to me, switch sides, etc sometimes quick without much warning and while she's very good sometimes she needs my direct guidance.

To the op...my initial read of your situation is that the dog may not like running with you bc it's boring for her. Just my gut reaction. Try the running with treats idea, and maybe just do some sprints or playing during the run to spice it up? My 40 lb whippet mix loves running steady miles but mostly loves to watch the squirrels rabbits and birds as we cruise along (sight hound in her!). Gotta find a way to make running as stimulating and fun as other activities your dog likes.

Approach a shock collar with the utmost care and thought. I think that unless used with extreme discipline and selective purpose, on the owner part, the dog will not always know why it's being electrocuted. It may not associate the shock with what you intended and from there it's just doing no good at all.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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PBT_2009 wrote:
Sanrafaeltri wrote:
I have three suggestions, two of which are echoing other posters:

1. if possible, run where your dog can be off leash. If I run 25 miles, my blue tick coonhound runs 50.

2. a gentle leader - it dramatically changes how much they WANT to pull

3. make a loop at the end of the leash with the handle in it and put it around your waist. your core/waist has more resistance than your wrist attached to your arm. Your dog can't pull as much against your waist.


If your standing still, maybe, but while running your body is either on one leg or off the ground completely and even a gentle pull from the dog can alter your balance. If you have a dog that get particularly interested in squirrels or is prone to pulling at all, or slowing down and making the leash taut that way, a waist-leash approach may be uncomfortable. I tried it, I just like having the hand held leash bc it gives me greater control of my dog, but then again I run in a city environment so I need to bring her close to me, switch sides, etc sometimes quick without much warning and while she's very good sometimes she needs my direct guidance.

To the op...my initial read of your situation is that the dog may not like running with you bc it's boring for her. Just my gut reaction. Try the running with treats idea, and maybe just do some sprints or playing during the run to spice it up? My 40 lb whippet mix loves running steady miles but mostly loves to watch the squirrels rabbits and birds as we cruise along (sight hound in her!). Gotta find a way to make running as stimulating and fun as other activities your dog likes.

Approach a shock collar with the utmost care and thought. I think that unless used with extreme discipline and selective purpose, on the owner part, the dog will not always know why it's being electrocuted. It may not associate the shock with what you intended and from there it's just doing no good at all.

If you electrocute your dog, it won't matter that it doesn't know why :)
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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As others have stated, you need to teach your dog how to walk on a leash before you run with them. She should be walking right next to you, with a little bit of slack, no pulling, no long lead (which, if you run somewhere with a lot of bikes or other people could be really dangerous because you don't want to clothesline them). It's actually not hard to train them this way at all, it just takes a lot of positive reinforcement and some treats. And keep in mind that at 1 year she's still just a puppy.

But please don't shock your dog. You don't even have to take my word for it, there's a ton of stuff out there about why you don't need to train your dog by making them terrified of you or punishing them.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [nc452010] [ In reply to ]
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I'll give a 3rd recommendation on Iron Doggy leash for running with dog. My dog loses his mind with happiness when I just pull the leash out.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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PBT_2009 wrote:
Sanrafaeltri wrote:
I have three suggestions, two of which are echoing other posters:

1. if possible, run where your dog can be off leash. If I run 25 miles, my blue tick coonhound runs 50.

2. a gentle leader - it dramatically changes how much they WANT to pull

3. make a loop at the end of the leash with the handle in it and put it around your waist. your core/waist has more resistance than your wrist attached to your arm. Your dog can't pull as much against your waist.


If your standing still, maybe, but while running your body is either on one leg or off the ground completely and even a gentle pull from the dog can alter your balance. If you have a dog that get particularly interested in squirrels or is prone to pulling at all, or slowing down and making the leash taut that way, a waist-leash approach may be uncomfortable. I tried it, I just like having the hand held leash bc it gives me greater control of my dog, but then again I run in a city environment so I need to bring her close to me, switch sides, etc sometimes quick without much warning and while she's very good sometimes she needs my direct guidance.

I have run thousands of miles with the leash around my waist including city streets. You can use your hand to bring your dog closer when needed if there are telephone poles, etc. I am fairly light at 155 lbs and my dog is medium/big at 60 pounds (of muscle) and I don't have any problems with her pulling me except if we run into a deer or coyote and then the pull is pretty hard. But, when she has pulled like that when I have the leash in my hands, I have sprained my wrist, she pulls that hard. Because when she pulls against my torso there is less give, she doesn't like to pull against me and only does it when the stimuli is so strong she is focused only on that.

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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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I have wondered if it is a boredom thing, it's all exciting at the start but once that wears off it's not so fun anymore.
I have tried running with treats but had been a bit slack with it so I tried again yesterday with more frequent treats and I think it helped.
I try to give her off lead time on each run but it isn't always possible and driving to run so she can go off-lead definitely isn't an option - I have a 3 month old baby so getting any outside running time is a bonus!!
She weighs more than half of my weight so I would be a bit nervous about an Iron Doggy type lead - wouldn't she be able to pull me over if she pulled towards something? She does get pretty distracted while we are running and walking by people/dogs/cats/anything so maybe that is part of the problem anyway. I have been looking at some one on one training to help with some of her overexcitement issues so hopefully they can help with this as well.
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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i didn't have great success with the waist-anchored lead, but as others said after me, they do fine with it, even with bigger dogs. it just depends, gotta try for yourself to see if its do-able for you and your 4 legged friend.

for what it's worth, in my experience, running steady miles with a human is not something all dogs will do, regardless of fitness/intelligence/breed characteristics. my cousin has, i think the mix is half german sheperd half golden retriever - so based on breed yes it's smart, athletic, strong, attentive, and trainable. it's brilliantly smart, active in the yard, and my cousin's a runner and wants to take her with her but the dog just stops and lays down after about a mile. i'm just sayin that of course you can give it a go with training and working on it, and you may be successful, but just keep in the back of your mind that despite your absolute best efforts, there's a chance the dog will just never be one to go out and pound out a handful of steady miles with you on your training run. good luck!
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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i didn't have great success with the waist-anchored lead, but as others said after me, they do fine with it, even with bigger dogs. it just depends, gotta try for yourself to see if its do-able for you and your 4 legged friend.

for what it's worth, in my experience, running steady miles with a human is not something all dogs will do, regardless of fitness/intelligence/breed characteristics. my cousin has, i think the mix is half german sheperd half golden retriever - so based on breed yes it's smart, athletic, strong, attentive, and trainable. it's brilliantly smart, active in the yard, and my cousin's a runner and wants to take her with her but the dog just stops and lays down after about a mile. i'm just sayin that of course you can give it a go with training and working on it, and you may be successful, but just keep in the back of your mind that despite your absolute best efforts, there's a chance the dog will just never be one to go out and pound out a handful of steady miles with you on your training run. good luck!

Above I spoke about the ongoing effort training the Aussie Cattle Dog to run off leash. We have a 2nd dog, a pitbull/lab mix, 6yrs old. Very sweet dog, unless you're dressed like a mailman. Broad shoulders, heavy bones, big muscles. The dog can run ok when it's cool, say <60deg. But to do, say 10@ 7min/mi it would need to be <50deg. Otherwise she starts lagging. We live in the SE. We get a couple months of <60deg evenings, but not too many weeks of <50deg evenings, so her inability to deal with the heat generated by running is pretty limiting.

The difference between the pitbull/lab and the 5-6month old Aussie Cattle Dog is stark. A couple days ago I took the puppy out for a run. We did 2.5mi@ a 7min pace. It was 87deg. Not only was she fine, but I intentionally took her thru some big puddles from the afternoon rain showers and she was entirely disinterested in the water.

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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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lol. My lab does this. He'll start dragging ass the further we get from home but then run plenty fast when we turn around. What works best is to do smaller loops so we're never too far out and he never feels like he needs to slow our roll. I think some dogs are wise to getting too hot and keep track of how far they are getting from home.

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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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bigjo_NZ wrote:
I have wondered if it is a boredom thing, it's all exciting at the start but once that wears off it's not so fun anymore.
I have tried running with treats but had been a bit slack with it so I tried again yesterday with more frequent treats and I think it helped.
I try to give her off lead time on each run but it isn't always possible and driving to run so she can go off-lead definitely isn't an option - I have a 3 month old baby so getting any outside running time is a bonus!!
She weighs more than half of my weight so I would be a bit nervous about an Iron Doggy type lead - wouldn't she be able to pull me over if she pulled towards something? She does get pretty distracted while we are running and walking by people/dogs/cats/anything so maybe that is part of the problem anyway. I have been looking at some one on one training to help with some of her over-excitement issues so hopefully they can help with this as well.

Have you bought a baby running stroller??? Then you can run with both of your kids at same time, and drive somewhere to do it where the canine child can go off-leash. I've seen people running in the park I run at with my dogs and, while the grass, tree roots, etc, definitely slow them down, they can do it while letting their canine buddy run free. OTOH, I've also seen guys/girls running on the road with the stroller and dog tied to stroller via leash; this is on a wide boulevard where lots of people bike and run such there is room on the road for this type of set-up.


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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, running stroller was the first baby purchase we made! He is still too little to go in while I run though - needs to have full head control so he's not flopping around in there. I think running with a stroller and a dog will take a bit of practice though so need to get the dog side of things sorted first I think. I would have to trust the dog 100% before I tied the lead to the stroller - at the moment she would try and greet someone and pull the stroller over...
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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [bigjo_NZ] [ In reply to ]
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bigjo_NZ wrote:
Yep, running stroller was the first baby purchase we made! He is still too little to go in while I run though - needs to have full head control so he's not flopping around in there. I think running with a stroller and a dog will take a bit of practice though so need to get the dog side of things sorted first I think. I would have to trust the dog 100% before I tied the lead to the stroller - at the moment she would try and greet someone and pull the stroller over...

Well, another option would be the leash just wrapped around your wrist. Anyway, lots of possibilities and it sounds like your dog is a very friendly and affectionate girl so I'm sure you'll get it all worked out!!!


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Re: Tips for running with a dog please [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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I've mastered the one handed stroller push and other hand holding the dog lead for walking so hopefully shouldn't be too hard to run like that - good strength training!!
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The irondoggy has elastic built into the lead (mine has a couple of sections). Any sudden pulling movement by the dog is muted.
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