I continue to say the biggest thing with saddles is positioning. In 1990 I rode Hawaii in a Speedo in an old Flite (it was the lightest) saddle with no issues. That is almost barbaric to say these days that you could ride a Flite in a Speedo, but if you are positioned properly you could probably ride a 2 x 4 and be fine. I don't think there is any magic bullet with "which saddle" although certainly some fit you better than others. However, I remain steadfast that position is the most important for comfort. In dialing in a saddle I carry a wrench with me and make lots of little micro adjustments until it is just right. It has always worked.

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Same.

FWIW, I was on those 2 saddles (both worked but had some limits on longer rides for me) and want to the Cobb Max and have not looked back. This ISM is too wide upfront for me unless I stay in aero, off the front...not practical for training.

SMP dynamic- Large cutout so I don't go numb anymore.

Check steve hogg write up. https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/...1/09/all-about-smps/

Hi, could you give some details on this foam?
I have designed my own saddle, I have the carbon base but finding good foam and padding tricky.

I tend to agree with you although the saddle finding process has been maddening for me. I have been meaning to start a related post which relates more to positioning than saddle to obtain comfort as I think that is my issue more than the saddle itself. I mean, almost of the the above-mentioned saddles are 55mm at the nose and recommend you sit off the nose so any differences in their properties are minimal.

I will say that the Sitero, my most comfortable potential saddle at this point, does provide a different type of tri fit than the typical noseless saddle as you sit a bit further back on it.

The frustrating part for me was the time it takes to work your way through saddles... The key was finding LBS loaners and demo programs. The mains ones I tried for a bit:

-Prologo Zero ii from road bike. Worked great for road, not at all for tri.
-ISM Adamo Road. Good, but minor thigh chafing on rides >90min.
-Cobb Plus loaner from LBS. Nope. Back to the ISM.
-Fizik Tri-tone loaner from LBS. Nope. Back to the ISM.
-Dash Stock Stages 9. So far so good.

Each time, I would give it a couple weeks to break in. The ISM was a great saddle but the only issue was the nose width was ever so slightly wide for me, I rode it for a couple years with only brief forays into other trials. I thought about getting a different ISM, but couldn't find a decent demo set and it seemed that the online demo was basically you buying a saddle and being able to exchange it for store cred. Settled on trying the Dash because the demo program let you return it completely for a $50 fee. Ended up loving it as it resolved my chafing and still provided the split nose comfort I was used to. All that being said, the saddle choices are so personal that it doesn't matter at all what worked for me :-)

For ref, I'm 6'3", 185lbs.

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Are you guys able to articulate the main differences between the PN 3.0 and the previous PN models? I've got a 1.1 sitting in a drawer but never fitted yet. Last TT saddle was a Sitero but the chaffing was chaffy and not good sitting up. Believe I will benefit from narrow.

Of particular interest is a saddle that works pretty well sitting up. Spend a lot of time Zwifting and I'm not racing the KISS and WBR crits in aero! Ive been using a regular road saddle to tide me over.

Cheers fellas.

I can send you some sample of dual density - it's what I use. 12x12" squares. We stock it at Fluidmotionsports.com

Cool material to work with. I'll post a pix of some carbon ports gear we made with later.
- Heat molds at 220-250 DegF
- Sandable
- Glue with a good quality spray or brush adhesive
-You could "bake" your saddle at say 200 then use it and the foam will contour
-The material will also form into use patterns so gets better with time.

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bontrager has their hilo rxl speed dial saddle on sale, on the trek site. about 1/2 price. allows up to 16 mm of nose width adjustability, for those (like me) who desire to continue to create pain by playing with different saddles of varying nose widths. They also have a 30 day trial period. My joyful experience: bontrager hilo:too wide. cobb max:slightly too wide, chafing. but close. cobb tenace:too narrow. cobb randee:trying now. Just bought bontrager rxl hilo speed dial: trying now. This is getting ridiculous.

Tenace was too wide for me in the nose . Could have been great if the nose tapered vs staying square, and/or was shorter. It was like being flicked 80-90 times per minute in the same spot of my thighs.

Seems to me the word narrow needs a better (more clear) definition. Narrow where? How many mm = narrow? To me, the answer for the nose isn't 50, though I'm coming to understand that many larger people (relative to my 5'3", 130 lb frame) think it does.

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Many of times it is not necessarily the saddle, but the fit of that saddle to your body. Consult your fitter.

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