Hi Andrew,

You're right,unfortunately the smaller (and larger) sizes are developed and produced last. I don't have visibility into the P5 schedule from Fuerteventura (I do have visibility across the beach and out to sea, wish I weren't trapped in this converence room!), but based on past new model time lines it's probably a few months after the middle sizes before they'll see wide distribution.

Cheers,

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Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)

Hi MTM,

Steve has it right, the space for brake lines inside the bars is tight. There are a few bends where you could accumulate some slack, just not sure how much.

Anyway, it's certainly simple to use different bars on a P5, since the fork, headset and stem are non-proprietary 1 1/8" (28.6mm) diameter and completely compatible. The Tulas tested very well in our wind tunnel testing, good choice there.

Not using the new bar should help Cervelo out to, initially at least - production is ramping up, but I expect we won't be able to satisfy demand for some time.

Cheers,

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Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)

Hi styrrell,

Not really a loophole, just design space that's been specifically allowed in the rules (since 2000) that a few companies are starting to use more. It is nice that they've formally blessed it though!

Cheers,

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Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)

Hi David,

I'm hard headed myself sometimes. Guess I fit right in? ;-)

Yes, aerodynamically it's a coin toss.
But to break the tie in your case, consider that your base bar will stay low if you choose the High-V. If you choose the "Low" configuration, you'll add fork spacers between the frame and stem, bringing your base bar up with the arm pads.

Cheers,

Cheers,

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Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)

Damon
any idea on time tables for delivery on bikes? which models 6s vs 3s are coming out first? My P4 was totaled by car and can't wait to get the P5.
was also wondering if you knew the stack on the Aduro bar stem? if I were to cut my fork steerer tube to use a standard 3T stem (40mm stack), I was wondering if I could just switch to Aduro bar down the road without worrying
about steerer tube length?
cheers

I always say that a successful brand can't "bask in the glory and relax" because the competitors and pretenders are out there working hard to steal the business.

So Cervelo is most likely already working hard on the P6.

 

>So Cervelo is most likely already working hard on the P6.

I hope they're also working hard on the P2/P3. Though both bikes are still super-competitive in their segments after all these years, it's about time for something more than a cosmetic update.

Loophole was Velonews' term. I like the sticker program, although I think you will agree it should be free. In most sports if you design something to the written rules you don't have to worry. In cycling if you design right to the boundary, the boundary just might be moved. Thats frustrating. I know the hydraulics are for the tri version, but any input as to wether or not the UCI would allow them if they fit 3:1 restrictions?

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Styrrell

The Magura brakes are UCI approved and I would expect the Garmin Barracuda team to race them in TTs soon

I'll take that as a clue that the drag data is going to be reported in grams instead of CdA, huh? :-/

I won't give up though. See? I'm hard-headed too :-)

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I'm wondering if we might see them actually racing them in road races at some point this season (someone has to test out the road adapters...or, maybe some Shimano "hydraulic ready" brifters, right?) ;-)

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Damon

Will the USE Tula flight pod system allow for the Magra brakes.

This is the link to the description

http://www.use1.com/...ero-bar-flight-pods/

I have had a 56 P3 and 56 P4 with standard tula bars, the P5 will not fit me as I have a stack of 57 and reach of about 54.

Short legs long torso and low bars.

Thanks for the help!

You could do it now if you wanted but they are damn ugly and kill the front end of the bike. There are converters available but not from Magura. Or if you are running Di2 you could buy these (not from Shimano)

You actually replied to me, and I think I can answe at least the USE question. From what I remember this USE bar has a standard diameter allowing for all standard fit levers, and the Magura ones fall into that category too. These Magura brakes should actually fit into most base bars, and because of the simple effort on the P5, you should be able to fit most aero bars on that frame.

Any bigger and those levers will be banned for being aero bars.

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Styrrell

Built in ITU legal aerobars seems like a good plan to me.

Damon

Will the USE Tula flight pod system allow for the Magra brakes.

This is the link to the description

http://www.use1.com/...ero-bar-flight-pods/

I have had a 56 P3 and 56 P4 with standard tula bars, the P5 will not fit me as I have a stack of 57 and reach of about 54.

Short legs long torso and low bars.

Thanks for the help!

Hubert

Tha ks for the info, that's how I read it as well.

Going to check with Damon to make sure there is no inside the. At issues

Thanks again

Is this because of the larger seat tube/top tube fillet with the straight-ish edge?

I'm getting tired of the "But, it looks just like a Plasma" whining. Anyone who is aware of the UCI frame "design space" will realize that there's a pretty good reason for why it looks that way in that part of the frame. Sure, Scott may have decided to get as close to that particular boundary of the design space first (were they? I don't know), but that doesn't preclude other designers from taking advantage of the same area if it's shown to be a benefit.

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There was rumors that Garmin didn't have a gruppo sponsor this year. Maybe buying groups was the only way they could ride Magura brakes in TTs. As there have also been rumors about Sram working hydraulic rim brakes in to the Red group.

The P5 may look like the Plasma, but the big question is 'which is more aero?', That is all that matters. We will have to wait and see.

OK...aside from the shapes (and not the sizes) of the frame "fillets" (in particular the seat tube-to-top tube fillet), I'm not seeing why everyone says it looks just like the Plasma.

Heck, to my eye, the frames look more different than alike in the details and execution...to say that Cervelo "just copied the Plasma" is merely being lazy.

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I agree but I think the headtube and bottom bracket area look very similiar as well. I don't think it looks completely the same but if you slapped a Scott logo on the P5 and said it was the next version of the Plasma. I don't think you could say it was a radical redesign.

Hi maxhr203,

Years ago (in the late 80s, man I'm getting old!) I saw 213 on my HR monitor.

I don't know what's inside the USE Tula flight pods, but if you can get regular cable housing through there I don't see why a hydraulic line wouldn't go through instead. Sounds like a good combination to me, especially since production ramp up of the new bar is not expected to keep up with initial demand.

Just compare the *frame* stack and reach to your P3/P4 to see if you'll want a 56cm (or maybe a 54cm?) P5. That's on the P5 web page under Geometry here:
http://cervelo.com/...es/2012/P5/geometry/

Cheers,

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Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)

Hi drgwood,

I should let Jared, our triathlon product manager, answer your question on time tables for expected delivery of the different P5 models. I'll ask him to reply to this post about that.

About aero bar stack, the Aduro needs 40mm of steerer tube to clamp to. It also doesn't require a headset top cap, as it sits directly on the split conical sleeve of the headset. That means your plan will work: cut now to a standard stem, and for sure the Aduro will clamp on.

Just triple check the arm pad stack you'll get - the stack of that part is separate from the clamp length on the fork! You might want to leave a little extra steerer sticking out the top of your normal stem if you'll need it later with your Aduro.

Cheers,

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Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)