i was just suggesting we might run a poll to see which bike everyone thinks will "win". and then see how smart all us smart-asses are.
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Slowman]
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [afurlong]
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what do you think of what i have up there now?
Dan Empfield
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Tom A.]
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"a GOOD TT/Tri position is very repeatable/"hold-able", especially as compared to road positions. With a good TT/Tri position, you should be basically "locked in""
you're right. i agree. that's why i've always relied more on motion capture body angles in tri fits than i have with the more fungible road positions.
Dan Empfield
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you're right. i agree. that's why i've always relied more on motion capture body angles in tri fits than i have with the more fungible road positions.
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Slowman]
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Slowman]
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Pretty good poll. At the end of the day, I think the differences will be marginal - then its fit range and cost for most athletes. I'm hoping this just eases the voice in the back of my head telling me I need a new bike.....please shut up now!
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [kileyay]
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Really hoping for a good showing from the Felt.
BeIng on a P3 classic, a good result for the old tech in this shootout will go a long way in helping me putt off any thought of upgrading.
BeIng on a P3 classic, a good result for the old tech in this shootout will go a long way in helping me putt off any thought of upgrading.
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Halfcrazy]
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i added an addendum: not counting margin of error. my vote is 6-10w, but i think my vote would be 0-5w if the margin of error was applied.
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [BryanD]
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Judging by the videos on FB, it seems like the Andean cadence was much lower than the others. He could have been spinning up to power before the test. Was cadence (and power for that matter) standardized across the runs?
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Slowman]
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Slowman wrote:
"Who knew the thru axle threads were different between Andean and P5-X?" me? but i take your point.
i'm getting an exploro, and as i recall this bike is 15mm front thru axle and 12mm rear. which is kinda weird. i commenced a thread some weeks back on thru axle adapters so that i could use various wheels on various bikes. it's a real bitch, that's for sure!
What with boost etc thru axles van be a bit of a mine field!
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Slowman]
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Slowman wrote:
what do you think of what i have up there now?great way of phrasing it, since i think that really gets to the core of what we are (or at least what I am) most interested in!
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [BryanD]
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BryanD wrote:
Ventum is up nextI asked this on instagram....why doesn't the ventum have that big ass straw sticking out of the built in hydration? Seems like that should be required if the other bikes have bta bottles on them.
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [kileyay]
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Good job pulling all this together!!
P5x appears to be moving around more during the test than others. Could this be because of the thru axle issue?
Also I agree about lower cadence on Andean. What's target cadence? Do you have a head unit to monitor?
I didn't even think we'd get that. Thanks for sharing.
Keep in mind this exercise is in no way to optimize aero and CdA. Decisions were made to standardize variables across equipment. I am actually a bit higher on the stack here because we couldn't get the P5 as low as I wanted, so we brought everything else up slightly. Kit might also be slow but it has less potential for wrinkling than sleeved.
Stay tuned. Results looks very very consistent at zero yaw. I am holding still like my race depends on it.
If you haven't already, please share the social media or throw in a few bucks. We have already hit some impossible to predict snags in equipment that have robbed us of time. Who knew the thru axle threads were different between Andean and P5-X? I mean really, guys?
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P5x appears to be moving around more during the test than others. Could this be because of the thru axle issue?
Also I agree about lower cadence on Andean. What's target cadence? Do you have a head unit to monitor?
kileyay wrote:
LAI wrote:
kileyay wrote:
0.22 about. No other numbers will be disclosed nowI didn't even think we'd get that. Thanks for sharing.
Keep in mind this exercise is in no way to optimize aero and CdA. Decisions were made to standardize variables across equipment. I am actually a bit higher on the stack here because we couldn't get the P5 as low as I wanted, so we brought everything else up slightly. Kit might also be slow but it has less potential for wrinkling than sleeved.
Stay tuned. Results looks very very consistent at zero yaw. I am holding still like my race depends on it.
If you haven't already, please share the social media or throw in a few bucks. We have already hit some impossible to predict snags in equipment that have robbed us of time. Who knew the thru axle threads were different between Andean and P5-X? I mean really, guys?
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Ed O'Malley
www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
Instagram • Facebook
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [James Haycraft]
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At 0 yaw:
1: ventum
2: P5
3: Andean
4: P5x
5: B2
6: tactical (space between down tube and front wheel...)
Spread 8 watts
At 10 degrees
1: ventum
2: Andean
3: P5x
4: P5
5: B2
6: tactical
Spread 15 watts
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www.VeloVetta.com
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1: ventum
2: P5
3: Andean
4: P5x
5: B2
6: tactical (space between down tube and front wheel...)
Spread 8 watts
At 10 degrees
1: ventum
2: Andean
3: P5x
4: P5
5: B2
6: tactical
Spread 15 watts
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Ed O'Malley
www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
Instagram • Facebook
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [RowToTri]
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The lower cadence is from me taking video as the fans were turning on.
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [BryanD]
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Cool, thx
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Ed O'Malley
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Ed O'Malley
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Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD
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BryanD can't hang with all the excitement. Someone needed a nap!
#naptime
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [kileyay]
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I want the Felt to win so badly that it hurts.
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [davetallo]
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Exactly. I am hoping that a good older style frame that is optimized will be close.
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [kileyay]
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How long are you expecting it takes to publish the results of the test?
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [chriselam]
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On the TRS interview he said 4-6 weeks.
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [desert dude]
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I'm pretty sure you guys are the first ones to have your hands on the premier bike, What were your thoughts on the bike itself other than the tunnel results? Quality, look, feel, etc.
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [Tom A.]
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Tom A. wrote:
Bernoullitrial wrote:
Going with order of testing (1st bikes test faster) even though I don't believe in reality it would be accurate.... Keeping a good position during all that can be a bitch...and that's an understatement.
Only if you have a crappy position. If there's one thing I've learned from field testing (and being in a wind tunnel) is that a GOOD TT/Tri position is very repeatable/"hold-able", especially as compared to road positions. With a good TT/Tri position, you should be basically "locked in"...if you're not, it's not a good position.
Well said. This is the essence of my fit and my fit business
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Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [kileyay]
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I wanted to thank everyone that participated in the testing today and in the days/weeks leading up to the test. A2 did a great job, Kiely worked hard getting all the bikes lined up and then held a great position for hours on end. Really nice work.
With a combination of owners, operators, independent protocol, Herbert (slowtwitch) and some dedicated individuals overseeing the testing ..... it was very well done.
There were very small differences based mainly on design- but every metric that could be equalized was. Most within 1-2mm.
Great spending two days with Jimmy from Ventum.... I learned a lot from him.
The bikes are all great bikes. We have great data with notes and comments for evaluation. I'm really proud to have been included and look forward to a clean clear white paper outing the results.
For everyone that contributed .... money well spent.
Dan Kennison
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http://www.PremierBike.com
http://www.PositionOneSports.com
With a combination of owners, operators, independent protocol, Herbert (slowtwitch) and some dedicated individuals overseeing the testing ..... it was very well done.
There were very small differences based mainly on design- but every metric that could be equalized was. Most within 1-2mm.
Great spending two days with Jimmy from Ventum.... I learned a lot from him.
The bikes are all great bikes. We have great data with notes and comments for evaluation. I'm really proud to have been included and look forward to a clean clear white paper outing the results.
For everyone that contributed .... money well spent.
Dan Kennison
facebook: @triPremierBike
http://www.PremierBike.com
http://www.PositionOneSports.com
Re: The Aero Bike Shootout TEST DAY THREAD [desert dude]
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Did Pubes just get Slowtwitch to pay for him to find his fastest optimized set up?
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not really - a lot of things are controlled for consistency (i.e. fit), whereas optimizing his fit would have meant picking one bike and then tinkering with adjustments to equipment and fit.
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