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Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k?
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Taller guys, what kind of wattage are you averaging to maintain 40km/h? I'd love to hit a sub hour 40k. I'm 6'5", 180lbs.

Last week I did a 10km TT right at 15 minutes (40km/h) and needed 320 AP, 326 NP. Course was an out and back, a bit windy at 20km/h with gusts up to 35km/h. 58cm Cervelo P1, Zipp 404 front, wheelcover rear Mavic Open Pro Powertap, Giro Adv. 2 helmet.

Is this reality or am I missing some serious free speed? I ran butyl tubes so maybe some extra rolling resistance but i feel like i'm a good 30-40 watts too high!
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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That doesn't seem too high.

I'm 6'1" and I need around 280w to hit 40km/hr.-

Whats your position like? What clothes were you wearing for the TT?
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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I snuck under 56mins for a 40km (windy & bad surface) TT on 270 when I had a position that was robbing power (obviously with a gain in aero).
Normally ~280 to average 40+ for a flat 70.3 ride (so clothing not as aero as TT).
I'm 6'4" and race at 200-210.

Your kit not bad so position may need some consideration.
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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6', and, if analytic cycling is at all correct, about 220W on a perfectly flat course. I'm quite, quite slippery and run pretty fast equipment, but you've got a long ways to go. Slightly less than your power (~320) got me over 29 mph recently--comically enough the same event that Trail mentions below.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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I am similar to you. I usually average around 335 watts to hit intervals at 40 - 44 kph depending on wind and air pressure. On most triathlons i hit 38-40kph for 40km with avg watts of 330. I would be running disk and stinger 90's in the triathlons. I am 6 foot 5 and 186 lbs. I have been told that i should be going faster - but we big guys catch a lot of air. Your numbers make perfect sense to me. Keep up the good work. For me to get up around 45 i need numbers like 440.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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6'2", need ~255w to hit 40km/hr and I think I still have aero fruit left on the tree.
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [Kiyakon] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for everyone's insight.

I was just wearing a tight fitting jersey. I was fist fitted a couple years ago so I believe my position is decent.
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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>Is this reality or am I missing some serious free speed?

I think you're missing free speed.

6'3" 180 here. I just averaged 45.4km/h @ 327W NP. Moderately windy, 3 laps of a quasi-circular course, so got wind in all directions. I could probably average 40km/h at well under 300W.

58cm (the largest) Felt DA, Flo Disc/90, Giro Adv 2 helmet, mediocre skin suit, shoe covers. HED Corsair bars. Latex tubes, GP3000SII tires.
Last edited by: trail: Aug 31, 14 18:42
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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 Probably missing some aero gains. I recently did a 31k TT and averaged 40.6 kph, rolling to hilly course on 285 watts. I'm 6-2 and 153 lbs. BH gc aero, a pair of jet 6s with a disc cover, regular bib shorts with fusion speed top, lg p-09 helmet...and I actually shaved my legs for that one
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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55:20 for 24.4mi on 287 SRM watts and just average pavement. 6'2" 175. I'd say you have some work to do.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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About 3.5 watts per kilo.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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6-2 180 and have done 58 ish on flat course at 270 SRM watts. Both early season not in shape efforts. Good luck.
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Wouldn't it have to do with body proportions as well? If OP has very long legs for his 6'5" then getting aero is a bit more difficult thus more watts needed, correct?
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [Derf] [ In reply to ]
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220W for a 6' to go 40kph ? what are you, anorexic?
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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I'm 6'2 (used to be an inch taller but that bloody gravity never sleeps) and 92kg -93kg or about 205lb and can only recall hitting 40km/hr down a decent hill. FTP is 258 but I can't imagine doing 40km in anything better than 1:05 and would need a flat course and maybe a little tailwind. Can't swim or run either so no great worry for me. Aero is something I can only buy (bike, wheels, etc) and with my wide shoulders the value is questionable. But then again the fun....
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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I'm more similar proportions to you than the guys who are 4 or 5 inches and 30 lbs lighter...6'5" and 185-190.
Only 40k-ish TT I've done this year was a 22 miler, was 327 W to go 26.0 mph/41.8 km/h, so a low 57 were it a 40k. On the day it was my Giant Trinity Advanced, 808 front and rear (couldn't find disc cover, ended up losing category by 2.5 seconds), GP4000S tires w/ butyl tubes (I was too lazy to change), and form-fitting but not skinsuit jersey. So I left some time on the table with the jersey and the disc cover.
Similar numbers to you, albeit it was a bit faster than exactly 40km/h. I'd venture to guess the Trinity is a bit more slippery than a P1 (my wallet hopes so), and then the front wheel makes a difference as well, but in the grand scheme of things, you probably have a little more room. Not TONS of time the way the guys who are way smaller are making it sound, though.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [mc.cycles] [ In reply to ]
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no. watts/CdA

mc.cycles wrote:
About 3.5 watts per kilo.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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Went 53:55 with 346 watts average for 40km. 2011 Speed concept, disk, 90 front, latex tubes with conti force/attack. LG skinsuit.

6'5, 182 pounds. Course was an out & back. I have no idea if that's a fast time for those watts or not. I would be curious what people think about my time at 346 watts?

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [severinj] [ In reply to ]
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severinj wrote:
Wouldn't it have to do with body proportions as well? If OP has very long legs for his 6'5" then getting aero is a bit more difficult thus more watts needed, correct?

I don't know the answer though this is the case for me. I'm not a great fit for the P1 as I have a shorter torso compared to my legs and arms (6'9" wingspan)
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [gunsbuns] [ In reply to ]
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The width of your shoulders has no bearing om the benefit of wheel and frame aero.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [Dopers.Suck] [ In reply to ]
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Dopers.Suck wrote:
Went 53:55 with 346 watts average for 40km. 2011 Speed concept, disk, 90 front, latex tubes with conti force/attack. LG skinsuit.

6'5, 182 pounds. Course was an out & back. I have no idea if that's a fast time for those watts or not. I would be curious what people think about my time at 346 watts?

I would say, based on my experience above with a mix of intentionally/lazily leaving some aero on the table, combined with you riding harder than I did at a little smaller than I am, that all makes sense to me.

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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [IanH] [ In reply to ]
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I'm 6'3" and was 199 lbs when I did the LAMBRA ITT championships on the 24th. Completely (and I mean completely flat course, 20ft total elevation gain) with a headwind out, tailwind back. I rode a 58:08 on normalized power of 263 watts.
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [iank] [ In reply to ]
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Similar proportions as well 6'4" and 183lbs. Takes me a bit more wattage than it should I guess but 40K in 55:50 at 348 AP on a flat 3 loop course. Wind was 4-7mph.
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Re: Tall guys - what wattage for sub hr 40k? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:

>Is this reality or am I missing some serious free speed?

I think you're missing free speed.

6'3" 180 here. I just averaged 45.4km/h @ 327W NP. Moderately windy, 3 laps of a quasi-circular course, so got wind in all directions. I could probably average 40km/h at well under 300W.

58cm (the largest) Felt DA, Flo Disc/90, Giro Adv 2 helmet, mediocre skin suit, shoe covers. HED Corsair bars. Latex tubes, GP3000SII tires.

Wow, that's similar to my previous set up. 56cm DA but otherwise same size 808/900 w/ Vittoria tubulars so a bit more crr, good suit, same helmet.
45.5kph @330NP.
My new bike is a bit more slippery. Now 49.2kph @341NP. I agree that <:60 for 40k @<300w is probable even for big guys.

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