Is there a reason they do this at ironman events? I was told I had not choice when I asked if I had to have my bike photographed at Louisville. I don't read all the fine print and waivers when I sign up for a race, but I still kind of doubt that ironman actually has the arrogance to actually have direct wording like 'we must be able to photograph your bike prior to race' in the waiver. Does anyone have any info on this? It's not that I don't like my bike being photographed..... I don't like being FORCED to have it photographed
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Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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I was under the impression it was for insurance reasons.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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I'm guessing they either had an insurance issue one time (hey, my bike had $10K Lightweight wheels and a gold-plated Di2), or it's in case someone complains about a rules violation. Could also be to help with the Kona Bike count.
The waiver is fairly generic about being able to use your likeness, not sure about snapping your equipment.
Pictures of your bike (with you on it) will be taken race day, anyway.
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The waiver is fairly generic about being able to use your likeness, not sure about snapping your equipment.
Pictures of your bike (with you on it) will be taken race day, anyway.
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Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [Titanflexr]
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I'm pretty sure the waiver you sign has a section "you allow WTC to use any image in whatever capacity they want to do" as almost all waivers include this type of allowance.
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Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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Pictures were taken of all the bikes going in transition in Mount Tremblant in 2012 and also this month in Kalmar Sweden. I think this has become a standard practice, that is not explained at the pre race meetings or in the athletes guide. I think its to protect every one involved and with digital imaging it could be of great importance to local law enforcement if a bunch of bikes went missing. Tim
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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[quote friesen It's not that I don't like my bike being photographed..... I don't like being FORCED to have it photographed[/quote]
Can you explain this further? I don't get it.
Can you explain this further? I don't get it.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [AlwaysCurious]
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It's strictly a matter of principle. I have no problem tipping a waitress for great service. But I do have a problem when some restaurants include the tip into your bill. Then it isn't a tip anymore, it's a tax.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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You're forced to have your picture taken while racing. What's the difference? It's probably the only decent pic you'll get with you and your bike.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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there's a lot of stuff in life that bothers you I'm betting.
Find out what it is in life that you don't do well, then don't
do that thing.
Find out what it is in life that you don't do well, then don't
do that thing.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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friesen wrote:
It's strictly a matter of principle. I have no problem tipping a waitress for great service. But I do have a problem when some restaurants include the tip into your bill. Then it isn't a tip anymore, it's a tax.Why pick out this one thing to fuss about? You are told when to rack your bike, where to rack your bike, when to start, what you are required to wear, etc etc
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [Jctriguy]
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I wish they would quit the cavity searches. Ever since Obama got elected, we are all forced to bend FOWARD.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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Wow.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [spider]
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Terrific
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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friesen wrote:
It's strictly a matter of principle. I have no problem tipping a waitress for great service. But I do have a problem when some restaurants include the tip into your bill. Then it isn't a tip anymore, it's a tax.But how have you been harmed or even inconvenienced by them taking a picture of your bike? Are you worried the camera will steal the soul of your bike?
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [AlwaysCurious]
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U hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what I'm afraid of
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [Bryancd]
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And yet you read it, and responded to it?
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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Dumb threads are fun. :) That's why you win.
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Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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At the very least I think WTC should explain why they want to take pictures of the bikes. And give an honest, precise reason, not a generic explanation like "for your safety".
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Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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friesen wrote:
It's not that I don't like my bike being photographed..... I don't like being FORCED to have it photographedYour bike could always try suing for illegal use of its likeness.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [BrianB]
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I'll give you points for being clever.... And funny
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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Short answer, as stated previously many times: If you don't want to be forced to do something that's in the Terms and Conditions, then don't do the race. Pretty simple.
Here is the relevant section of the Terms and Conditions that you agreed to and probably didn't read:
This is from IM Louisville 2015, but I'd be willing to bet that a very similar statement (if not identical) was in the 2014 T&C as well.
Don't make a fuss just because you didn't read the T&C.
Here is the relevant section of the Terms and Conditions that you agreed to and probably didn't read:
Quote:
- I grant to WTC, its affiliates, designees and assignees the right and permission to photograph, film, record and/or otherwise capture in any media the name, image, voice, written statement, photograph and/or visual likeness of me and/or my family members (collectively “images”), with right to sublicense, during the activities or otherwise, without compensation, for use for any purpose in any media throughout the world in perpetuity, including but not limited to use in broadcasts, photographs, publications, podcasts, webcasts, motion pictures, brochures, CDs, DVDs, internet websites, television, and/or in any related commercial, informational, educational, advertising, or promotional materials. I understand that all ownership and copyright rights in the images shall be owned by WTC and I waive any inspection or approval rights. I understand and agree that my name, bib number and race results will be available to the public during and after the Event.This is from IM Louisville 2015, but I'd be willing to bet that a very similar statement (if not identical) was in the 2014 T&C as well.
Don't make a fuss just because you didn't read the T&C.
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [Anando]
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At a few IM Races I've done - you and your bike are photographed entering to rack and when you claim the bike after. Makes good sense for security reasons ?
Some races you can take bikes out with almost no restrictions. Less theft should equal less insurance costs being passed on to us ?
Does that make sense to you ?
Some races you can take bikes out with almost no restrictions. Less theft should equal less insurance costs being passed on to us ?
Does that make sense to you ?
Re: Taking pics of bikes in transition by volunteers [friesen]
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I'm not a fan of being forced to do anything. By the WTC or TSA or whatever. But, of course, by voluntarily entering and paying big bucks to race, or by voluntarily deciding to fly to a destination, the "forced" part kinda goes out the window. It seems that we're undergoing those things (and what they entail) because we choose to.
And, I gotta say, taking photos of bikes is not a bad idea. Makes it far less likely that a bike will be stolen, or that fraud will take place, or that a stolen bike might never be recovered. Me?, I want to not lose my bike, preferably ever. Even if it means that someone gets to take a really exciting photo of it.
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And, I gotta say, taking photos of bikes is not a bad idea. Makes it far less likely that a bike will be stolen, or that fraud will take place, or that a stolen bike might never be recovered. Me?, I want to not lose my bike, preferably ever. Even if it means that someone gets to take a really exciting photo of it.
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DarkSpeedWorks: Aug 31, 14 17:18
Jctriguy wrote:
friesen wrote:
It's strictly a matter of principle. I have no problem tipping a waitress for great service. But I do have a problem when some restaurants include the tip into your bill. Then it isn't a tip anymore, it's a tax.Why pick out this one thing to fuss about? You are told when to rack your bike, where to rack your bike, when to start, what you are required to wear, etc etc
That settles it, next race I'm racking my bike with the pros