So, to get a good fit, you may want it so tight that its tough to swim in... but as of 2016
Rule 4.03 (c) now means you down need a swim skin if you dont want one

Section 4.03 SWIMWEAR POLICY WHEN THE USE OF WETSUITS IS PROHIBITED
(a) Swimwear must be 100% textile material, which is defined as materials consisting of natural and/orsynthetic, individual and non‐consolidated yarns used to constitute a fabric by weaving, knitting and/or braiding (this generally refers to suits made only from nylon or lycra that do not have any rubberized material such as polyurethane or neoprene); (DSQ)
(b) Swimwear may contain a zipper;
(c) Sleeves that extend from shoulder to elbow may be worn;
(d) Wetsuit (neoprene) shorts/bottoms are prohibited (DSQ);
(e) Swimwear must not cover the neck, must not extend past the elbow, and must not extend past the knees; (DSQ) and
(f) A textile race kit may be worn underneath swimwear, provided, however, that the textile race kit must not extend past the elbow and must not extend past the knees. (DSQ)

We got one for you that works like like swimskin, has a pad that floats, keeps you cool, and blocks 90% of the UVB rays.

RIVIERA SLEEVED TRISUIT



GREAT NEWS: Sleeved Trisuits are now legal for use in Ironman and 70.3 races, and it remains legal in many other races not owned by WTC. The Riviera Sleeved Trisuit was designed for this very purpose, with hydrodynamics as a factor, not just aerodynamics.
The new Mobius Comfort Compression Band offers a more equally graduated compression around the legs, so you get the same support with no tightness around the thighs.
The Riviera Sleeved Trisuit has the Patent Pending Integrated Riviera Ceramico™ 7mm Pad. This pad floats and stretches which means it can be used as a race piece in a triathlon. On the bike, the pad stretches with the short and follows your skin as it moves with every pedal stroke, eliminating the friction that can cause irritation or rashes.
The comfort, performance and functionality you've come to love in our Riviera Tri Shorts and Tri Bib, is now available in this amazing new Sleeved Riviera Trisuit!
Here is what you get in this trisuit:

• Integrated Riviera Ceramico™ 7mm Pad (soft, stretchy, buoyant, and the most durable pad in the world).
• Forza Compressor legs above the Mobius Comfort Compression Leg Bands
• Waterlid™ Pockets that allow you to swim in this trisuit without a wetsuit.
• Liftfoil center panels that make swimming in this without a wetsuit faster!
• Shield Del Sol™ upper body for more sun protection.
• Black modesty panels. We intentionally put black panels in the crotch area to avoid saddle stains and for a more flattering appearance.
• Front zipper like in our Forza Trisuits, but read below about the Snake Zip™!

SnakeZip™...What is this?
Due to the unique fit and stretch of this garment, the SnakeZip™ is sewn onto the body of the garment as if the fabric were stretched onto the athlete's body so that the zipper does not inhibit the compressive fit, aerodynamics, and hydrodynamics. The end result is that when the garment is not on the body, the zipper naturally winds side to side. This will not only make the garment more comfortable, but it will also make it more durable.
This item is not designed for repeated use as a swim suit in a chlorinated pool.

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Maker of triathlon clothing, T1 Wetsuits, & Saddle Seat Pads and AXS since 1990
emilio@desotosport.com http://www.desotosport.com

Thanks! I'm not sure if I will, but I just checked the Athlete Guide for Honu 70.3 (not wet-suit legal) and it says:


"Swimwear must not cover the neck, extend past the elbow, nor extend past the knees."



I can't seem to find the 2015 version, but I have it from 2014 (when Crowie was DQ'ed) and the same section reads:

"Swimwear must not cover the neck, extend past the shoulder, nor extend past the knees."

And I assume it would be the same for Kona.

That is wrong. Seems like someone forgot to change the 2016 guide.

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I'm using the new 2xu sleeved and it is far superior in fit, confort as well as looks! The pad takes quite a.bit of pressure in your soft tissue and light/small enough not be even noticed when running.

Best kit of the 4 i have!

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Speed kills unless you have speed skills!!!

If you're going to get any aero boost from the suit then you won't be able to really swim to your potential in it.

No, that's my point -- the 2016 guide is updated saying that short sleeves are now allowed for the swim.

Depends how long the transition area is from swim exit to the bike, and more importantly how long the race is. If Olympic or under, probably wouldn't bother. If 70.3 and longer, I would roll it down and put it on during the run to T1. I am currently using the Kiwami Spider Aero and it is easy to put the top on while running and wet. I was previously in the Kiwami LD Aero, and while a little bit tougher to put on when wet, it was still manageable.

Let me know if you have any Kiwami specific questions, more than happy to help.

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A side question (didn't want to start a new thread as the topic is 98% overlapping):
Would a sleeved trisuit cause drag if not rolled up but worn under the swimskin or be slower than a non sleeved trisuit worn under it?
Cheers
Roberto

Is the kit new from last year. I have last years kit. Would it be possible to post a pic?

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Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

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I don't have data but I'd have to think it would be slower because of restricted motion on the swim and drag in the water.

A properly fitted sleeved trisuit needs to be tight to be effective. Wrinkles will eliminate the aero benefits on the bike. Thus, what makes it work for the bike will mean it may not work as well for the swim, unless it is specifically designed for both of these as the suit that was posted earlier in the thread.

Some of the speed suits (remember when that used to refer to swimming but now refers to cycling?) have very stretchy material in the arms so they are tight and don't wrinkle.
It's possible to swim in the suit, I know people that have. That being said I have no plans to swim in my suit with the sleeves on. I'll just use my Kiwami ITU compliant kit as the swim skin or in a short race just wear that from gun to tape.

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OK, I'm too lazy to look this up for myself, so feel free to say so.

But can you tell us if sleeved tri suits now legal for any race? (WTC, ITU, USAT, HITS, Challenge, or any other combination of letters that puts on a triathlon).

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Sleeve suits are legal for WTC and USAT sanctioned races. Sleeve suits have always been legal for USAT races, but the WTC rule change made them work for this year. I am unfamiliar with the rest of the rule providers mentioned.

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Thanks! That covers the races I'm planning on for now.

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I do not think any research/studies have been done on that yet. I don't "roll" mine up. The Spider Aero is only attached at the rear so it is more of a hybrid 2 piece suit. With that it is able to lay a bit flatter underneath a swim skin.

I haven't found any issues wearing it under a wetsuit all the way up. No restrictions on the shoulders and my swims have not been effected.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

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How do you "lay" it under a swimskin or wetsuit? Is it flat against your lower back? Just curious if there are any things to be conscious of when the suit is "rolled" down (not on your shoulders) and putting on a swimskin/wetsuit.

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I've never had an issue rolling it down under my wetsuit. I don't really roll it I more so have it kind of flat and am just careful when zipping up the suit.

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Hi Emilio,

I love your stuff and have plenty of it. Any chance of making a version of this with a zipper long enough for "the rest of us", that is those that either can't or prefer not to pee ourselves on the bike/run. May of us out there use the port-o-can. The zipper just doesn't go down far enough without risking breaking the zipper or tearing the suit (the entire market seems to be this way). Pulling off a tight and getting it back on when wet is also an uncorfortable challenge. Just tossing an idea out there.

Nothing exactly new, just their sleeved trisuit bro... sorry didn't intend to mislead on a recent releasen just new to me! Lol

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Speed kills unless you have speed skills!!!

I am listening to you, believe me. I have a better innovation than using a longer zipper, which we plan on releasing in time for Ironman Kona. Slowtwitch will be the first place I post info on it.

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Maker of triathlon clothing, T1 Wetsuits, & Saddle Seat Pads and AXS since 1990
emilio@desotosport.com http://www.desotosport.com

The Athlete Guide has several inconsistencies and errors, it's a hot mess. Check out the run course in the guide and on the website, one loop versus 2-loop.

Wicked, although I suppose you'll name it in suitable Austin Power's terminology...

SteveMc