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Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only)
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So I'm two weeks in and all is going well. Just wondering how big climbs fit into the picture - obviously very difficult to keep it in Z1/Z2 on a 7% 10km climb.

So what would be the protocol for training for big hills?
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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FYI, you can survive otherwise deadly boredom on a ride with an audiobook:


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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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The protocol if you want to go as easy as possible would be to use your easiest gear and just spin up.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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Centennial Park for that many laps? That audio book must be gold.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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alexZA wrote:
So I'm two weeks in and all is going well. Just wondering how big climbs fit into the picture - obviously very difficult to keep it in Z1/Z2 on a 7% 10km climb.

So what would be the protocol for training for big hills?

Hills and wind are just a matter of gearing. Rolling resistance and the small amount of wind drag aside, if you can climb a hill at 300W at 12mph, then 150W would be 6mph. Gear ratios determine what cadence you get to produce that 150W at. I remind folks doing races like IMWI of that reality. If a pro is going 11mph on one of the steeper climbs @ 320W (typcial), then if your a MOP female with a FTP of maybe 180.... guess what, you should plan on going 6mph up that hill....or plan on walking the marathon... their choice.

Triathletes on hilly courses for some reason over think this.

The only other difference going uphill or into a wind, is that there's less inertia, so you deaccelerate more during the weaker portions of your pedal stroke. So climbing and wind are like riding your trainer. Actually ,there's a good argument that if you want ot learn ot climb better, use your trainer more.


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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [motoguy128] [ In reply to ]
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makes a lot of sense, thanks.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [Staz] [ In reply to ]
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yeah, need to get a 34/28.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with others that you need lower gearing if you can't stay z1/2 (on a z1/2 day).
Also might want to avoid climbs like this on a z1/2 day.
Maximize your climbing on climbing days and/or tempo/threshold days.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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alexZA wrote:
So I'm two weeks in and all is going well. Just wondering how big climbs fit into the picture - obviously very difficult to keep it in Z1/Z2 on a 7% 10km climb.

So what would be the protocol for training for big hills?

Since the polarized model is based on effort you just have to spin up easy :-)
It is harder to go easy than to go hard, but the easiest is to go in the middle where we do not want to be (high 2).
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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Naughty naughty - CP has a 30km/h speed limit :)
Last edited by: gunsbuns: Aug 23, 14 16:33
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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You will find this article helpful.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3912323/


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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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I've been told I need to train MORE. That's obviously bullshit,
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [gunsbuns] [ In reply to ]
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wasn't wearing a helmet, either.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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thanks, having a read now.

One quick question. Let's say I've got a very mountainous race coming up, should I be doing serious specificity? By that I mean lots of threshold efforts by doing 60-90 minute climbs.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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You can only do so much threshold work.
Define lots.
I would say an hour of threshold work is a lot.
You might want to support this with a good amount of sub-threshold work on climbs.
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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alexZA wrote:
thanks, having a read now.

One quick question. Let's say I've got a very mountainous race coming up, should I be doing serious specificity? By that I mean lots of threshold efforts by doing 60-90 minute climbs.

You can do a 6x10 minutes hill intervals (that is a really hard one).
No need for doing a lot of threshold sessions. Those are usually in the too hard to be easy and not hard enough to be intervals zone.
Not that it is totally wrong once on a while, but in the polarized model zone 3 is not where you want to do your intervals all the time :-)

The most important thing is to look at the overall picture. One interval or threshold session will not ruin everything :-)
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Re: Quick question for Halvard and others on polarized training (bike only) [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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great, thanks for your insights.
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