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For the love of God... why?
I remember that Potts mentioned he averaged 300+W in Kona last year. At the time I though that should have netted a faster split but I read this today and there it is... GATORSKINS!


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For 2016, Potts is taking a renewed focus on equipment, looking to improve on his 4th-place at last year's Ironman World Championships in Hawaii. Fortunately, there was quite a bit of low-hanging fruit. Wheels and tires, for example. Last year in Hawaii, Andy was riding 25mm GATORSKIN tires with butyl tubes!!! The switch to GP4000 + Latex might alone be worth several minutes. Upgrading to Enve wheels, ceramicspeed bearings and chain, and significant position refinements are all going to add up to some significant savings for Potts. I'm really excited as a fan of the sport to see what he does.

http://www.tririg.com/galleries.php?id=2016_04_Andy_Potts_Signs_TriRig_Omega_X&num=6#Andy's Rig with Omega X Brakes
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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No way he was using that. Can someone find a picture to prove this?

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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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Here's a picture from check in. Full size here: http://cdn.triathlon.competitor.com/...2015/10/3JB_3970.jpg



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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/IM_Kona_2015_-_men_bike_pics_5418.html has a pic of Andy on the bike and although it's difficult to tell since it's in motion, the logo on those tires sure looks like the GP4000 logo, but I guess it could be a Gatorskin... tough to tell
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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Including the aero penalty, there's more than just a few minutes there. At minimum I'd estimate it's the difference between him and Frodeno off the bike... in other words, pretty much the margin of victory. Meaning he would have been running with Frodeno, pushing him and possibly changing the tactics of the run altogether.


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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for that.

Seeing this blows my mind. I am positive that people talked about how much he would be losing with this setup. I just wonder if he had some mental scaring from a flat in the past of something.

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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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This one sure looks to me like it says Gator Skin. Here's the link because the embedded one will be down-rezzed:

http://c8.alamy.com/...tomorrows-F3TNP4.jpg





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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [kcb203] [ In reply to ]
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And here's one of just his bike obviously taken in the lava fields in Kona, but it's not race day and may not be the race setup, but it obviously says GatorSkin:

http://www.shimano.com.au/content/sac-bike/en/home/ride-shimano-radio/podcast-episodes0/ep6--andy-potts/_jcr_content/bodycontent/titletextteaser_7/image/file.res/1444334578418.jpg




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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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A photo shoot with hairy legs. The horror!
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, I would have thought the pros would have a free-speed checklist (with respect to their sponsors too) that they would use during race days....
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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I still can't believe this. So he basically gave up a solid 30 watts to someone riding 4000S or maybe close to 35 watts for someone running real fast rolling tires. So basically a full 1 mph lost....and he was 4th place. Unreal.

And I see a big old RD cage on the new bike as well. Another 2 watts.

So assuming his chain treatment sucked as well he could be +40 watts on tubes, tires, drive train. He could add another couple going to the faster wheels. So probably at worst he's probably going to be 40 watts faster. LOL.

And we haven't even considered the frame / body position yet!
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [flyrunride] [ In reply to ]
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flyrunride wrote:
Wow, I would have thought the pros would have a free-speed checklist (with respect to their sponsors too) that they would use during race days....

Some get paranoid about punctures and don;t realize how much slower or faster a tire is. A lot of that understanding is relatively new. 10 years ago, 99% would only be concerned that a gatorskin is heavier and rides firmer. We now realize, since we stopped listening to roadies, that weight is almost irrelevant, and RR and more so, aerodynamic properties are what really matter.

Keep in mind, Potts started out in ITU, so he might have spent too much time with more road racing focused individuals.


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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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colinlaughery wrote:
No way he was using that. Can someone find a picture to prove this?
Let there be no doubt. This is from Andy on course in Kona last year, riding the 25c Gatorskins. First is the full shot, then closeups of the wheels (just crops of the same image). It's a little tough to read, but they were Gatorskins both front and rear. The good news is that he's seen the light and is on faster rubber this year.







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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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Nick - thank you for setting him straight!

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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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Also I do tend to notice that the fast people I know do not always know the best equipment or know about the newest stuff because they are just fast and do not think about it. They are always training and unless they geek out on equipment they are not likely to care. Most geek out on training. half the guys that blow me away are on the oldest looking bike some from the late 90's!
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [motoguy128] [ In reply to ]
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wow, just wow. you know there have been posts over the years here and there by pros (I can think of one by Thomas in particular) about being astonished at some of the aero-penalties some of the pros were subjecting themselves to. I would bet behind the scenes this was a running thing/joke with the pros. Like "hey I think I saw Gatorskins on Potts bike.." "SHHH KEEP your voice down he might hear you..."
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Sanders rode GatorSkins until last year:

ST: I think Cody Beals also has maybe taught you some lessons but in terms of bike setup tricks.

Lionel: I’ve learned a lot from Cody Beals over the years. The biggest lessons with regards to the bike came when he told me I was losing a ton of time running Gatorskins. I told him that I was afraid of getting a flat tire. He showed me a bunch of complicated physics calculations that I didn’t understand, but the gist was that I was probably losing more time running the Gatorskins then it would take me to change a flat. Now I just carry a spare tubular, and keep my fingers crossed the whole race.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...l_Sanders__5168.html
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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THE HUMANITY!!!!


hey maybe this year he'll train on something better for him. For pros, every second counts....
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [flyrunride] [ In reply to ]
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flyrunride wrote:
THE HUMANITY!!!!


hey maybe this year he'll train on something better for him. For pros, every second counts....


judging by the posts on slowtwitch, we're all pros. ;)
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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The good news is that he's seen the light and is on faster rubber this year.

Nick,

Doesn't ENVE recommend against using latex tubes in their wheels?

Also, do you know what cockpit that is?

Thanks


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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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How unspeakably awesome would it be if he was actually running 4000S with one-off Gatorskin logos, just to whip Teh Internetz into a frenzy?!

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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [renorider] [ In reply to ]
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renorider wrote:
How unspeakably awesome would it be if he was actually running 4000S with one-off Gatorskin logos, just to whip Teh Internetz into a frenzy?!

Or to help sell Gatorskins? Wouldn't be the first time a tyre wasn't what it said on the label.
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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TriRig wrote:
colinlaughery wrote:
No way he was using that. Can someone find a picture to prove this?

Let there be no doubt. This is from Andy on course in Kona last year, riding the 25c Gatorskins. First is the full shot, then closeups of the wheels (just crops of the same image). It's a little tough to read, but they were Gatorskins both front and rear. The good news is that he's seen the light and is on faster rubber this year.






I am really confused, Nick, have you not been Andy's service course advisor for quite some time? Didn't I hear on TRS interview last year that you had just outfitted Potts bike with a TriRig brake. Did you not have a discussion with him regarding tires?


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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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What about the time he is losing with his helmet sticking up in the wind like that ;)
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Re: Pros on Gatorskins [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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NIck ... considering he raced at Oceanside on new bike / wheels / position ... and he has lots of data points form previous years doing that course ... how did things add up this year? I know he has riden aster there before (last year ?) (yes conditions and dynamics come in to play)

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