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Re: Premier Tactical [blueapplepaste] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you - I just have the work-up drawings.

I will have the 2D technical drawings and a sample in about a week. When that arrives I will take some photos and post them up.

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Re: Premier Tactical [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Cool - look forward to it.
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Re: Premier Tactical [georged] [ In reply to ]
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Anybody using the Optimized Chain on a 1x drivetrain with a SRAM x-sync chainring? Seems like it will work and just curious if anyone has tried it
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Re: Premier Tactical [iamAERO] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, and unfortunately no so well. It was really, really loud. I think the Connex chain isn't chamfered for 1X. Switched to KMC and it was much quieter. Great chain and I'll continue to use it on my 2X bike.
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Re: Premier Tactical [blackey] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for that in-put. I had the question asked to me but did not have any experience with SRAM 1x

I will discuss with Connex to get thier take on it is well.

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Re: Premier Tactical [iamAERO] [ In reply to ]
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I know it is not the same but I use an Ultegra ICED chain on my xsync with no issues. But I did notice when I first installed the chainring I had to get a new chain, bought ultegra, because it was super loud. So I wonder if some chains might play different on the narrow/wide chainring or something.

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Re: Premier Tactical [jrielley] [ In reply to ]
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That's my thoughts as well. The X-sync chainring isn't a quiet ring to start with, so small differences will make a big one. The wax may not help as well as it can be noisier in general.

If you read the KMC literature it's been chamfered for a 1X, as has SRAM. I think Shimano probably did it as well as they sell 1X systems and the chain is also used in their MTB line. I have a feeling different chains will work differently with X-Sync and with 1X in general.

I still like the connex chain and connex link for my 2x bikes, but just will not be using it on this build.
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Re: Premier Tactical [georged] [ In reply to ]
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A few days ago an athlete asked if his Cervelo P5 (54) and his Cervelo R5 would fit in our Hard Travel Case. I did not know, we were both attending the state swim meet so I brought our case to the Illinois Swim Masters Competition event today. We met and tried both bikes. Both bikes fit fine. So - we now know that the Tactical fits, the Cervelo PC3 fits, Cervelo P5 and the Cervelo R5 all fit nicely. Just an FYI for those who have asked.

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Re: Premier Tactical [georged] [ In reply to ]
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I looked at the website today - bike looks really promising. However that Waiver that you are required to agree to seems ridiculously over the top. It appears that you are signing away any ability to take action if the product is faulty. If this is the case I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. If this is not the intent of the waiver it needs to be better explained. I should not need to engage a lawyer to purchase a push bike.
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Re: Premier Tactical [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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As to Kileys comments in the aero bike thread regarding a bta mount.... I couldn't find it but thought you had said in the past you were working on a mount to go In between the arm pads similarly to the tri rig mount that works with his bars.....am I correct or just making things up?
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Re: Premier Tactical [bujayman] [ In reply to ]
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No - I am not working on a mount like that. Its easier just to tap and drill like most of the bikes we set up yesterday.

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Re: Premier Tactical [glorylasts] [ In reply to ]
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We stand 100% behind our products. My policy is to make it right for the athlete.

Our policies are listed on the website for each product. If there is an issue with construction, defect, workmanship all those type things we will take care of it. No problem at all.

Many companies have very long small print waivers that no one ever reads.

The purpose of our waiver is to protect us from things that have nothing to do with PremierBike, our products, design, manufacturing quality etc..

If someone has a few beers and decides to show off their bike by riding in the rain, in traffic, in the wrong direction on the interstate ...I don't want to pay an attorney for a year proving its not PremierBike's responsibility. It's really that simple.

The difference between our waiver and other entities waiver is: we say it simply, up front and in normal type set ... so you can read it. The big companies will just out lawyer their customer ... I'm not interested in any form of that.

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Re: Premier Tactical [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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As far as the bento box goes on the top tube, I know you have it set up for one but is there one that you recommend that works best for it or are you working on one of those?
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Re: Premier Tactical [bujayman] [ In reply to ]
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I have not used the bento bosses yet. It will fit any standard bento.

With the FC35 that holds some gels, water and computer, then I put all my flat kit in the rear storage.

I think it would depend on how you decide to do your hydration. The water bottle bosses in the seat tube and down tube I use when I'm training. You have some options.

You can also take off the rear storage and add hydration there as well

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Re: Premier Tactical [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Dan. I don't think this bike would fit me because of my height, but I really appreciate your responses and what you've done with this bike. I'm really rooting for you.
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Re: Premier Tactical [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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Have you read number 4? Cause what you're saying here and what number 4 says don't match up. The waiver says Premier is relieved from all liability for negligence, strict product liability, implied warranty of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose.

I'm not sure but I don't even know a person can waive liability for some of those forms of liability. I might look into it today just for fun.
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Re: Premier Tactical [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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I will have our team take a look and if it conflicts with what I said above I will have it changed. Thank you.

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Re: Premier Tactical [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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I just took a look and at least in my state(and following the restatements) strict products liability can't be waived except in some instances but I don't think this would qualify. And sometimes if you overreach with a waiver, there can be consequences. Anyway, yeah, I'd check with your people.
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Re: Premier Tactical [dkennison] [ In reply to ]
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No one in their right mind would sign that waiver.
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Re: Premier Tactical [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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answer will vary state to state. Not that I'm giving Dan legal advice, but if the state where Premier is based has the most favorable law on this subject, then he may also use a forum selection clause (i.e., you would have to bring any lawsuit where he is based) as well as a choice of law provision (must apply the law of the state where he is based no matter where suit is brought)
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Re: Premier Tactical [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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Runless wrote:
I just took a look and at least in my state(and following the restatements) strict products liability can't be waived except in some instances but I don't think this would qualify. And sometimes if you overreach with a waiver, there can be consequences. Anyway, yeah, I'd check with your people.


"I . . . .realize that bicycling may be dangerous under certain conditions . . . I understand that use of PremierBike Limited product(s) may involve . . . risks and dangers which include, . . .the potential forserious (sic) bodily injury or death, loss of or damage to equipment/property, . . . .; equipment failure; inadequate safety measures; situations beyond my control; . . . .. I understand that these Risks may be caused, in whole or in part, by . . . .the acts, inaction or negligence of the Related Parties . . . and I hereby expressly assume all such Risks and responsibility for any damages, liabilities, losses or expenses which I incur as a resut (sic) of my use of PremierBike Limited product(s)."


Am I paraphrasing correctly below?

"Yea, I get it. The bike might fail under me due to the negligence of PremierBike Limited and/or its affiliates/subsidiaries, but I accept the responsibility and waive any right to sue."






Seems legit. . . .
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Re: Premier Tactical [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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Runless wrote:
I just took a look and at least in my state(and following the restatements) strict products liability can't be waived except in some instances but I don't think this would qualify. And sometimes if you overreach with a waiver, there can be consequences. Anyway, yeah, I'd check with your people.

You're wrong on so many levels I'm not even going to bother with writing them.
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Re: Premier Tactical [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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From my state's BarBooks(written by our Bar for practitioners, not that I'm practicing right now): "the seller of a defective product that is unreasonably dangerous to the user or consumer cannot bargain away liability for that defect." Then it cites the restatement of contracts- second 195 and points out an exception for two merchants who acknowledge a likelihood of such potential danger at time of agreement.

I'm less inclined to think I'm wrong on that first part, it's pretty straight forward.

The second part, divisibility, I'm less sure of. Divisibility is something I'm not as familiar with but I know at times invalid contract terms cause problems with a contract as a whole.

Come on, this is the Internet, you really don't want to tell me why I'm wrong? I'm open to admit I know very little about contract law and I'd be curious to know.
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Re: Premier Tactical [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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You know. Let me eat my words. I actually scrolled too far down and didn't see all the above. My snap reply was predicated only on the understanding that Dan is very careful with legal issues in his bhsinsss dealings. If we could only convince him to spend money on a graphic designer at 1/10 thd billable ;)
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Re: Premier Tactical [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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Is this waiver designed to alleviate some perceived liability risk of the user or to protect the company from product failures that might result in injury? Are there quality control issues I assume in China that are being addressed properly?

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