I know a racer who was, years ago, DQ'd for course cutting. His reaction seemed genuine and I thought it was probably an accident. But from time to time I have seen some results from him that are suspicious. I have NO desire to discuss his name, or go down that road in the least bit. What I'd really like to know is: what would you do with this info? Is an intervention that leads to a positive result even possible?
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Re: Not another 'Twitch hunt... [ajthomas]
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Assuming he was at a race I was doing, or helping at, I would work with the RD to keep track of him with a shadow person or something.
Or maybe let him wear a tracking GPS unit :)
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Or maybe let him wear a tracking GPS unit :)
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Re: Not another 'Twitch hunt... [h2ofun]
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h2ofun wrote:
Or maybe let him wear a tracking GPS unit :)Julie Miller could figure that out. Oops I lost it again.
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Re: Not another 'Twitch hunt... [Leddy]
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Well I suppose that is what I was getting at. If her coach or a friend had intervened earlier and said, "Julie, look I don't know how you did it, but I am pretty sure that you cheated. Please stop, because one day you will get caught..." Would that have made a difference?
Re: Not another 'Twitch hunt... [ajthomas]
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If he's not near the podium, I would just let it go. Won't make a difference.
If however, he's stealing podiums or BQs or close enough timewise that he's at risk for it, it might be worth emailing an RD just to make of note of it - if enough people 'flag' him, the RD will be on the lookout for his cheating.
If however, he's stealing podiums or BQs or close enough timewise that he's at risk for it, it might be worth emailing an RD just to make of note of it - if enough people 'flag' him, the RD will be on the lookout for his cheating.
Re: Not another 'Twitch hunt... [ajthomas]
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ajthomas wrote:
I know a racer who was, years ago, DQ'd for course cutting. His reaction seemed genuine and I thought it was probably an accident. But from time to time I have seen some results from him that are suspicious. I have NO desire to discuss his name, or go down that road in the least bit. What I'd really like to know is: what would you do with this info? Is an intervention that leads to a positive result even possible?It depends what your definition of a positive result is.
-Do you want him to stop?
-Do you want him to be punished/banned?
-Do you want him publicly shamed as a cautionary tale to others?
-Do you want to protect other competitors who are trying to KQ, 70.3WCQ, etc.?
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Re: Not another 'Twitch hunt... [Titanflexr]
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Titanflexr wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
I know a racer who was, years ago, DQ'd for course cutting. His reaction seemed genuine and I thought it was probably an accident. But from time to time I have seen some results from him that are suspicious. I have NO desire to discuss his name, or go down that road in the least bit. What I'd really like to know is: what would you do with this info? Is an intervention that leads to a positive result even possible?It depends what your definition of a positive result is.
-Do you want him to stop?
-Do you want him to be punished/banned?
-Do you want him publicly shamed as a cautionary tale to others?
-Do you want to protect other competitors who are trying to KQ, 70.3WCQ, etc.?
Cheating is cheating. While the majority of race participants are racing against themselves, cheaters like Julie are leveraging their "success" in influencing their community. This is not fair or not healthy. In the long run this also isn't giving much honour to others involved, especially after the cheat is discovered and with it it becomes known that the organisers / coach / friends knew about this, but kept silent. What the cheater does on his or her personal time and puts up on Strava is up to them, but once they come to the public forum, such as a race they must adhere to the rules. They don't like it or think they are smarter than everybody else? That get out and make your own race with your own rules, probably somewhere in the West Wyoming area.
In short: cheaters must be reported, because this is not only about them.
Re: Not another 'Twitch hunt... [ajthomas]
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Local Houston guy?
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We've got a few of those locally and many that really push the honestly envelope. I'm not sure there is much you can do unless he/she is at your race and you see them in action. I always call out bad drafters when I'm on the bike. Otherwise, how would you know who/when to alert someone.
I lost to one of these guys by 0.1 seconds last year at a race as a reference. I was told after the race he cut the run. Such is life.
I lost to one of these guys by 0.1 seconds last year at a race as a reference. I was told after the race he cut the run. Such is life.