I tend to agree with you regarding your skepticism of their claims. That said, thanks for reminding me this product exists! For sprints that aren't wetsuit legal, this *might* be a good choice if there's an aero benefit on the bike.

You don't wear these (blueseventy also makes one) on the bike, FYI.

If they want people to buy this they need to put a pad in it and let it be a standalone trisuit as well.

And for god sakes, give us some better color options. We triathletes like to look good. That's almost more important than being fast. Well to most it's probably more important.

That's what I was thinking. For a sprint, I don't need a pad. Did my last sprint in just a polyester swim jammer.

My only concern is that, when the water's too warm for wetsuits, the air's probably too warm for long sleeves on the run.

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I experimented with a blueseventy swim skin at a sprint race back in October. Totally workable on the bike for me. Admittedly hot/tight on the run.

I assume you experimented with a PZ4TX? That's basically a TX3000 suit. So yea, it can work on the bike/run. A sleeved swim skin however...? good luck.

Also, this Kiwami suit isn't the "first." blueseventy has had one for a while. Availability to consumer maybe the first I guess.

here're a few details behind the proclaimed 5.75" / 100 time savings.

test location: last fall. Pau, France. 50 m pool.
test panel: 2 athletes + kiwami owner and former Olympian, craig Watson.
test procedure: 3 x 100 m on 2 '. ample rest. 80% perceived effort.
tested items: regular swimsuit (speedo style); entry level trisuit; new Tokyo trisuit; Spider ws1 (elite trisuit); aquarush; top of the line wetsuit.

computed results:
we averaged each athlete's times and compared those to their aquarush times.

observed results:
the average gain swimming with the aquarush versus swimming in a speedo: 5.75" sec. the largest observed difference was 7 sec. the lowest was 4.75".

other observations:
the aquarush was faster than any other textile trisuit and just as fast as the top of the line wetsuit.

of course:
this is just an empirical test. and it can be questioned.
however the results are striking enough that we feel confident in their significance.

I hope this helps a tad and of course am open to further discuss this item or any other kiwami topic.

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I just got one of these and it looks really great! I'm trying to get my swimming to a fitness level right now so I can do a valid test. Anyone in the Madison, WI area can take a look and try mine.....

Is it ITU Legal? Maybe USAT would select it as the team uniform :-) Just kidding.

Hahaha! Thanks for that. Maybe I'll take my spot after all so I could forget to take this off? hmmmmmmm.......

one can always argue the significance of "first".
i do know ours was first available in October '16, WTC approved by then and 5 athletes raced Kona with it.

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They say it tests faster then a normal swim skin, but the main point for me is that I can wear my bike suit with the sleeves on under, so I save time in T1 (and don't need to roll it down around my waist or have the sleeves sticking out from my non sleeved swim skin). I used the BlueSeventy PZ4TX in Kona and it was great!

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right on; way to save time in T1.

and also, great for sun protection.

btw, great pics!

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of course, you could have the sleeves sticking out anyway under a sleeveless swimskin..but hey, who's counting?

Ummmmm......

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reading comp fail. oops.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=SMscyTfMO-A

Haha


Looks like the suit for the US teams lead swimmer back in 2000.

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How about compared to arena carbon pro or speedo lzr?

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I think the Carbon Pro is a Tri suit with chamois pad? correct me if I am wrong :)

How fast is transitioning out of those sleeves?
I can imagine trying to pull of a really tight fitting sleeve which s also wet can be a pain in the a**
Also: when i wear my Orca Kona Dream Aero whatever it is called suit :D It fits really tight to not have any wrinkles, swimming in it would be possible, but it is clearly not made for swimming fully zipped with sleeves on. It doesn't feel right and the customer service confirmed it too.

Do you guys really swim in your aero suits? Could be interesting for some short swim segments.

Cheers
Nick

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Well, the whole point of a swimskin is, that it is allegedly faster than your bikewear. Otherwise people would not swim with their bikewear under their swimwear. If this is true, than it is (at least marginally) faster to have the sleeves of your bikewear covered by the swimskin instead of when they stick out.

So if you have the choice between a sleeved swimskin and a sleeveless one, why should you opt for the sleeveless one? Wouldn't make any sense.

Anyway, I was going to buy a swimskin but wanted to wait a bit until a sleeved swimskin came available. When my eye came on this thread I ordered directly the Kiwami Aquarush. I'm waiting now until it arrives such that I can test it in the pool (if the size is correct: I understand that a swimskin should fit a bit too tight out of the water to have the optimal size).

Of course if you have already a sleeveless swimskin, it is questionable whether you should spend a lot of money to replace it by a sleeved one, since the difference in speed will only be marginal.

There maybe a Trisuit within the carbon pro line. But I am referring to the high performance jammer (men) and kneeskin (women). That said 5 seconds per 100 faster than a brief style training suit sounds pretty outrageous

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Yeah I agree. Perhaps there are a small proportion of swimmers out there that might see those kind of figures, but for the majority I reckon no more than 1 or 2.

Just think about this... how long does it take a swimmer put on a properly fit suit (5-15 minutes) ... and some swimskin that goes on/off in seconds is worth 5 seconds/ 100.

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glad you (as a great swimmer) chime in.
would you care to try it on? and let me know your findings as far as time savings?
if yes, please email me at contactATkiwamitriDOTcom

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