Looks like the must see of the summer for STers to me -

http://www.bicycling.com/...m_campaign=Bicycling

It could well be a dud, but if it's not and STers can't laugh at this, all hope may be lost. Great to see LA and Bacon making cameos. Too bad they couldn't get Lemond, Eddy and Dennis Christopher from Breaking Away, but maybe they're just waiting to surprise us!

Dog, you should change the subject of your post to New Cycling Mockumentary on HBO - Tour de Pharmacy - featuring Lance and many others. I'm not interested in another serious doc on LA and the cycling drug culture, but I am very interested in watching this as some light (and hopefully funny) summer entertainment.

That's a pretty strong take. Do you have any kind of evidence to base this on?

I don't really trust any pro cyclist from any era on the topic of doping, but there is at least some degree of plausibility in that LeMond's career was between the steroids era (which could be effectively detected during LeMond's heyday) and the EPO period.

My sense is that doping in pro cycling waxes and wanes, as new doping methods emerge, then new testing methods emerge.
It is at least plausible that the time period you refer to as the meat of LeMond's career was one of the lower-doping eras.

If you're a big time Lance fan, and simply hate LeMond for anything and everything, then let me apologize in advance for bringing up a sore topic.

Wow. There really is one born every minute. A lull in doping during the 1980s and LeMond just happened to slot in during a time when everyone had given up drugs until Lance forced the riders to dope again?

Here is a clue for you. There was more doping in the 80s than there was in the 00s. It was a complete and utter joke. The testing was shoddy and often non-existent with riders knowing before a race started whether there would be testing. The word there would be no testing was the green light to load up with everything in the soigneur's suitcase, and every team had one of those soigneurs. They were still using amphetamines, which mostly died out in the later 90s, as well as steroids. Corticosteroid abuse was rampant and prematurely ended many careers. Let's not mention the blood transfusions. The team LeMond joined for the 1989 season had a doctor who the year before was experimenting with EPO before it was approved on at least one of the teams riders; he diagnosed him with anemia. These days LeMond denies he ever met the team's own doctor who traveled with the team during races. He knows nothing. Every one of LeMond's rivals for the Tour who had won the Tour or had a legitimate chance of doing so was doping, but he has never said a word about their drug use. These days he does public appearances with them and gladhanding them when he meets them out of the public eye. Apparently he does not feel he was cheated. I wonder why.

OK, you've got some points there I was not aware of.

I did preface this by saying "I don't really trust any pro cyclist from any era on the topic of doping." So I think it's unlikely I am the most gullible person you've ever run across on the internet.

It is extremely unlikely that any pro rider in the 10 ten ever, didn't use some for of doping. Even Lance denied it till the very end, why should anyone think differently of LeMond, just because he denies any involvement.

It is extremely unlikely that any pro rider in the 10 ten ever, didn't use some for of doping. Even Lance denied it till the very end, why should anyone think differently of LeMond, just because he denies any involvement.

Lance existed in a time of big $$ and more testing.
Lemond's era was a free for all.
I'm actually a big fan of both of them, because I view it as a pro sport, a form of entertainment. If you hate any of these pro's because of doping, then maybe you should hate every NFL, NBA, FIFA, NHL, etc player as well.
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So I think it's unlikely I am the most gullible person you've ever run across on the internet.

Don't take it hard. That's Arch Stanton's schtick. He pops up in every doping thread with a pro-Lance / anti-Lemond posture and claims anyone who disagrees with him is naive.

Just recently I listened to Lionel Bernie and Daniel Freibe comparing stars' performances from the Lance and Indurain era to those of today - particularly the ability to recover instantly and maintain peak form for weeks and months on end - and noting a relative decline.

This is a sport with literally hundreds of dollars on the line, and dozens of fans...