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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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But hes still got 5 years he can race U23.

Really? Where? In the US?
Sorry for the thread hijack; The U-23 category in the US is kind of a sore point.

OK, back to the thread that is letting everyone know exactly what the situation was and what Lukas's motivation is/was.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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I swam from age 6 to 17 four seasons of the year every morning and afternoon. Except Sunday for the most part. By the time I was 17 1/2 I skipped a swim practice to go skiing with buddies and I ni front of the wholenteam the coach told me to pick one skiing or swimming. I really had know more interest in swimming anymore so opted for hunter mountain every Friday :0( boy was he upset as I had been swimming with the high school squad from the time o was 13. To this day I still get bored in the pool and it takes all I have mentally to swim over 3000 m in one sitting. Point is he is a kid that has been doing the same thing for years, I feel for him. Remember they have kept the door open for him, at least they said they did???

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Bmanners] [ In reply to ]
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Remember they have kept the door open for him, at least they said they did???

They shouldn't. Abandoning the team when you are one of their top guys, potentially costing the team a bid to nationals, that isn't the kind of thing that leaves doors open. I wouldn't care of LV was running for a Community College, you can't just leave the team and expect there to be no consequences.

I wish LV success, but I find it hard to believe he didn't have another 3 weeks in him.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [RFXCrunner] [ In reply to ]
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I agree but he is still a kid.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [RFXCrunner] [ In reply to ]
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He wont cost them a trip to nationals. Again without know why he left its hard to form an opinion. It looks bad, but everything up until know has made LV look like a pretty great guy, so why can't we give him the benefit of the doubt. its not the worse thing to happen in college sports lately.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [SeasonsChange] [ In reply to ]
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The kid is 18. He doesn't owe anybody anything.

If he wanted to give up running and triathlon and take up professional water polo, good for him, as long as thats what he wants.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [mgalluzz] [ In reply to ]
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I find it extremely amusing and ironic that the 'most independent country in the world' has all these people who think they are due this and that :-)
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think loyalty and fulfilling a commitment are entirely US based sentiments. I think LV should have stayed with Oregon through nationals. Its a team sport and he signed on. I just think that we don't know the whole story as to why and he is still a kid right out of high school with abnormal amount sof pressure and expectations on him. I don't mind giving him the benefit of the doubt, but still, I would've liked to see him finish out the season.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois wrote:
I find it extremely amusing and ironic that the 'most independent country in the world' has all these people who think they are due this and that :-)

Presumably as the #3 runner at Oregon, he's on scholarship. That's a contract. They pay him to attend school, and oh yeah, run.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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If you polled all the people who have been on a competitive collegiate XC team, you would find overwhelming disapproval of his decision. Some of you just don't understand what it is like to be a member of these teams. Your lifestyle is so different than the average college kid that you become extremely close to your teammates.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Green Barf] [ In reply to ]
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For his sake, let's hope he isn't the Tebow of tris. Tebow is flat out the worst starting QB in quite some time.

This isn't a football forum, but you obviously don't follow NFL football.




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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [turtlesam] [ In reply to ]
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If you polled all the people who have been on a competitive collegiate XC team, you would find overwhelming disapproval of his decision. Some of you just don't understand what it is like to be a member of these teams. Your lifestyle is so different than the average college kid that you become extremely close to your teammates.

Yeah cause no one here has been on a competitive sports team before and XC is that much different. How do you that the other people on his team even like him. Maybe they were treating him like crap and he didn't feel the desire to keep competing with them. You can poll who ever you want to poll the fact of the matter is no one knows the facts and to pass judgement on him with the only fact being he left at crappy time of the year is dumb.
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I'm looking forward to having him in Colorado Springs. Maybe he'll toe the line in some of our local races. Hunter Kemper, Susan Williams, Michael Weiss, and many others have raced here. Seems like these people have done pretty well.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [WillyMFire] [ In reply to ]
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WillyMFire wrote:
Green Barf wrote:
For his sake, let's hope he isn't the Tebow of tris. Tebow is flat out the worst starting QB in quite some time.


This isn't a football forum, but you obviously don't follow NFL football.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [RFXCrunner] [ In reply to ]
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What's the situation with accepting sponsorships and NCAA eligibility? Anybody know?


RFXCrunner wrote:
Bmanners wrote:
Remember they have kept the door open for him, at least they said they did???


They shouldn't. Abandoning the team when you are one of their top guys, potentially costing the team a bid to nationals, that isn't the kind of thing that leaves doors open. I wouldn't care of LV was running for a Community College, you can't just leave the team and expect there to be no consequences.

I wish LV success, but I find it hard to believe he didn't have another 3 weeks in him.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Reading some of the comments on ST already it reminds me when people saw Taylor Phinney winning at a young age, and the next thing people were saying; "he's the next Lance at the TdF". Hell, we have people already saying he's our best top hopeful for 2012, and he likely cant even garner enough points to even be in the conversation. The amount of pressure he's going to face is going to be unreal.

What people? The kid is a TRACK world champion, a TT national champion...he has MANY years to gain endurance and lose weight before he has a sniff at grand tours.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [btmoney] [ In reply to ]
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Just seach this forum. Quite a few were touting TF as a TdF contender and quite a few were saying he'd never be a contender in the TdF.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [WillyMFire] [ In reply to ]
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WillyMFire wrote:
Green Barf wrote:
For his sake, let's hope he isn't the Tebow of tris. Tebow is flat out the worst starting QB in quite some time.


This isn't a football forum, but you obviously don't follow NFL football.
Umm did you see his game against miami? We barely won. It should've been no contest. Did you see the game against the Lions? We were slaughtered.
"Early in the fourth quarter, Tebow was an unsightly 8-of-25 passing for 87 yards and an interception that was returned 100 yards for a touchdown by Lions cornerback Chris Houston." from the denver post. Granted he had a good game against the raiders but he is very inconsistent...as I would expect a nearly rookie quarterback to be. I only hope nobody buys a billboard I have to stare at everyday that says play lukas.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [kev train] [ In reply to ]
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What's the situation with accepting sponsorships and NCAA eligibility? Anybody know?

See what I wrote here. http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=3630824;#3630690

Basically, once he accepts sponsorship money his eligibility is gone. Prize money is a separate issue.

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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Green Barf] [ In reply to ]
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Dude did you even go to college. You are NOT thinking clearly. I could think of any number of reasons to drop out at certain time - the biggest being that you can drop classes up to certain point - after that point you have to take the grade. And if you ask a runner to name ten professional runners I bet they can't. If you ask a triathlete to name ten pro triathletes they can. You tell me what is more important. If I was betting on a sport I would be much more willing to bet on the success of triathlon then running in the future.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [ssphone] [ In reply to ]
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I bet those on Letsrun can name 10 pro runners, just like us on ST can name 10 pro triathletes....the "Joe Schmoes" of our respective sports cannot. Hell all you have to do is say Mutai and Bekele and you have your 10 right there, ha.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [ssphone] [ In reply to ]
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If I was betting on a sport I would be much more willing to bet on the success of triathlon then running in the future.

running has been around since well the beginning of humanity. I think running is gonna be just fine. When you have marathons filling up with 25k+ people I don't think I would bet against running going away anytime in the distance future.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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This thread has probably reached the "beating a dead horse" stage, but nevertheless.....True, he's only 18 and still a "kid". But he has invited this type of scrutiny by posting his every move on facebook and twitter. He LIVES for the limelight and the fanfare - that is his fuel, as opposed to love of the sport. Any doubt about that? Read the most recent Slowtwitch interview, in which the hot topics are which agency is going to represent him, and who will give him a shoe contract. Really?? He has not even competed at the Olympic distance yet. Let's hold off on the coronation until he actually crosses a finish line. He had a stellar high school running career - he was virtually unbeatable at that level and showed tremendous potential. Yet when he was actually challenged for the first time at the collegiate level, when the going got tough, he folded up his tent and went home.
So what does he face next? Ever actually watch an ITU race, whether its a Continental Cup, World Cup or WCS race, let alone compete at that level? I know many people on this thread have done so. It is brutal from the opening gun. The swim is physical, the surges on the bike are intense, and the run is painful to watch. (I'm sorry, but with the swimming and cycling intensity in these races, the days of the "wet 10k" are no longer - you need to be super strong in all 3 disciplines). LV proved that he can't compete at the collegiate level in the 10k - at least he proved very quickly that mentally he's not up for the challenge. And now you are talking about the olympics, and olympic medals?? Remember, there's a 10k at the end of that race that will be alot harder than the PAC 12 x-c champs. Winning the Junior World Champs is a tremendous accomplishment, but again, its a junior race - congratulations, you are a great junior triathlete. Now step up to the next level, do a few races, post some actual results, prove that you can actually handle the longer swim and bike (which is far from a given), and then maybe we can have a serious conversation about the olympics. Then you can talk about your sponsors and your shoe contract. LV's "handlers" and USAT are not doing him any favors by talking about his olympic plans at this point.
I am sure that any of our current olympians and olympic hopefuls (Chrabot, Shoemaker, Kemper, Groff, Bennett, and others) will tell you that to compete at the highest level of ITU triathlon, you need to have guts, nobody cares about your "potential" or your sponsors, you need to be extremely tough, and yes, there will be days when you don't finish in the top 20. If you can't handle that, then good luck with your age group career.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [SparkyTri] [ In reply to ]
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I love how racing a couple times as a freshman proves that he can't handle a collegiate level 10k. You guys crack me up. Furthermore there is very little difference in training for the junior distance and the Olympic distance at the pro level. VERY little, but you don't think he can handle an oly distance race? I'll give a kid who is the world champion at the junior level the benefit of the doubt that he may just be able to race an olympic distance and do well at in a couple of years. Could I be wrong of course, nothing is a sure bet, but wow its amazing how some of you guys think he will never amount to anything.
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Re: LetsRun.com on Lukas Verzbicas [ssphone] [ In reply to ]
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Dude did you even go to college. You are NOT thinking clearly. I could think of any number of reasons to drop out at certain time - the biggest being that you can drop classes up to certain point - after that point you have to take the grade. And if you ask a runner to name ten professional runners I bet they can't. If you ask a triathlete to name ten pro triathletes they can. You tell me what is more important. If I was betting on a sport I would be much more willing to bet on the success of triathlon then running in the future.

Dumbest post of the year!!! I'm a college professor, and I know more about drop dates and their consequences than you do! The comment about naming pro runners is just plain stupid. The success of triathlon in the future? You mean in your white, eurocentric world right? Geesh
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