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Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker
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will be interesting to see how this turns out.

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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she seems to have a point and damages to her clearly occurred.

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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People are going to that manufacturer knowing full well they are dodgy, and actually expecting that those supps contain PEDs. But the mfg won't be able to use that excuse in court. It will be an interesting case indeed.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
People are going to that manufacturer knowing full well they are dodgy, and actually expecting that those supps contain PEDs.
Sorta like TylerHamilton taking a supplement for depression even though the supplement was known to contain DHEA. He's never copped to that.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [spookini] [ In reply to ]
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spookini wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
People are going to that manufacturer knowing full well they are dodgy, and actually expecting that those supps contain PEDs.

Sorta like TylerHamilton taking a supplement for depression even though the supplement was known to contain DHEA. He's never copped to that.



I rode the tour with a severely broken collar bone on just bread and water... really!

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [johnnybefit] [ In reply to ]
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johnnybefit wrote:
spookini wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
People are going to that manufacturer knowing full well they are dodgy, and actually expecting that those supps contain PEDs.

Sorta like TylerHamilton taking a supplement for depression even though the supplement was known to contain DHEA. He's never copped to that.



I rode the tour with a severely broken collar bone on just bread and water... really!

Off topic I know but every time I see that picture, I can't help thinking that he literally looks like a concentration camp survivor. If this level of leanness is what people call "race weight", F*** the the hell out of that!!! He looks totally unhealthy.


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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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I'd say it is unhealthy racing at that level.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Typed 3 responses and deleted them......yeah, interested to see how this turns out.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Mike Alexander wrote:
Typed 3 responses and deleted them......yeah, interested to see how this turns out.


I can't imagine either party wants to actually go to court.


Interesting perspective.

Care to elaborate?
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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windschatten wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Mike Alexander wrote:
Typed 3 responses and deleted them......yeah, interested to see how this turns out.


I can't imagine either party wants to actually go to court.

Interesting perspective.

Care to elaborate?

Don't you think the parties will just settle out of court?


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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
windschatten wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Mike Alexander wrote:
Typed 3 responses and deleted them......yeah, interested to see how this turns out.


I can't imagine either party wants to actually go to court.


Interesting perspective.

Care to elaborate?


Don't you think the parties will just settle out of court?

As a supplement distributor, I wouldn't.

Enough blame to go around.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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Doesn't seem to say what she is suing for. This is a dodgy area. If the banned substance isn't listed on the product's label, but it's in there, the manufacturer may be liable?

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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ericmulk wrote:
johnnybefit wrote:
spookini wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
People are going to that manufacturer knowing full well they are dodgy, and actually expecting that those supps contain PEDs.

Sorta like TylerHamilton taking a supplement for depression even though the supplement was known to contain DHEA. He's never copped to that.



I rode the tour with a severely broken collar bone on just bread and water... really!


Off topic I know but every time I see that picture, I can't help thinking that he literally looks like a concentration camp survivor. If this level of leanness is what people call "race weight", F*** the the hell out of that!!! He looks totally unhealthy.



That's what it takes to be a top rider in the tour.
Yes, it takes PED's too, but you also have to be stupid light.
Remember Michael R?
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [spookini] [ In reply to ]
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spookini wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
People are going to that manufacturer knowing full well they are dodgy, and actually expecting that those supps contain PEDs.

Sorta like TylerHamilton taking a supplement for depression even though the supplement was known to contain DHEA. He's never copped to that.

Actually, he did cop to it. Not sure how it went down, but it would be easy enough to check...in his book the "The Secret Race," Hamilton says he held a press conference wherein he said that he took the supplement and that he knew it contained DHEA after he the positive test.

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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This is why you have to know your supply chain all the way back to the original manufacturer. Unless there are boots on the ground inspecting the place they make some of this stuff, you cannot be assured of quality. Think of what happened to Cyto a few years back with arsenic and lead from contaminated protein (India). China...is an "issue". There was that issue in Australia with salt pills some years back. Our little tri world is pretty insulated, but when you venture into the body building world it should be a HUGE red flag for everyone. It's buyer beware.

I know everyone on the drink side, and this is the stuff that keeps us up at night. We all are ex-athletes and the though of causing an issue for anyone makes me sick to my stomach. What makes me sleep well is knowing that if there was a better ingredient available, we would use it. Sacrificing quality for price is NEVER a factor for us. We are probably 95% US Domestic produced ingredients. Everything we do is pre-tested before it hits my door. I know we are premium, but it's the very best quality with supply chain control from beginning to end. That makes me feel better.

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Don_W] [ In reply to ]
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Don_W wrote:
Doesn't seem to say what she is suing for. This is a dodgy area. If the banned substance isn't listed on the product's label, but it's in there, the manufacturer may be liable?


https://www.fda.gov/...480069.htm#what_info

The manufacturer has to list all ingredients. In practice, many products are not evaluated by the FDA for accurate information because it lacks time and funding for this.
Typically, a product will be evaluated if several folks suffer adverse medical events.

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, he looks incredibly malnourished. But the one line I remember from his book, The Secret Race, is the doctor telling him, "Tyler, you are sooooo fat!"
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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Good for her. If you can prove, and it seems she did, that a supplement was mislabeled or contaminated then the athlete either shouldn't get a ban or the company needs to be held responsible for the damage done to that athlete.
It's easy to be high and mighty and say we should all know and be accountable for everything we put in our body, but during an IM it's hard to be completely self contained and not use any on course support. Or even keeping yourself from sampling anything at a race expo w/o first fully vetting the company.

I lived w/ a guy using testosterone cream for several months before I found out. I very likely would've failed a drug test because of trace amounts left on doorknobs, countertops, etc. It's impossible to always know everything that's going in.

Full disclosure, I knew Lauren when she first started tri, but i'd back anyone who provided an unopened product to be tested and found the contaminant. If a product is widely known to contain an unlisted substance then put it on the banned list.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not an expert on this, but most supplements don't seem to be regulated by the FDA, which is pointed out on their labels. In that case, FDA regulations would not apply (I would think). Not sure what supplement was being used here, but as others have said, I think if something isn't regulated by FDA, you are taking it into your own hands.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [triball13] [ In reply to ]
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You are confusing 2 things here. First, the link I posted is directly from the FDA.
What the FDA does not regulate are the claims made by supplement manufacturers. Manufacturers still have to indicate what is in their products.

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [infinIT 1] [ In reply to ]
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infinIT 1 wrote:
This is why you have to know your supply chain all the way back to the original manufacturer. Unless there are boots on the ground inspecting the place they make some of this stuff, you cannot be assured of quality. Think of what happened to Cyto a few years back with arsenic and lead from contaminated protein (India). China...is an "issue". There was that issue in Australia with salt pills some years back. Our little tri world is pretty insulated, but when you venture into the body building world it should be a HUGE red flag for everyone. It's buyer beware.


I know everyone on the drink side, and this is the stuff that keeps us up at night. We all are ex-athletes and the though of causing an issue for anyone makes me sick to my stomach. What makes me sleep well is knowing that if there was a better ingredient available, we would use it. Sacrificing quality for price is NEVER a factor for us. We are probably 95% US Domestic produced ingredients. Everything we do is pre-tested before it hits my door. I know we are premium, but it's the very best quality with supply chain control from beginning to end. That makes me feel better.


"...which Barnett had purchased at a store in Plano and cleared with her trainer before using..."


Who on earth is her trainer? I had never heard of this/these products & just a quick glance in viewing their website, how could any 1/2-way decent trainer, recommend a product w/ literally zero independent testing on the ingredients/sourcing?

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [BrianPBN] [ In reply to ]
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BrianPBN wrote:
infinIT 1 wrote:
This is why you have to know your supply chain all the way back to the original manufacturer. Unless there are boots on the ground inspecting the place they make some of this stuff, you cannot be assured of quality. Think of what happened to Cyto a few years back with arsenic and lead from contaminated protein (India). China...is an "issue". There was that issue in Australia with salt pills some years back. Our little tri world is pretty insulated, but when you venture into the body building world it should be a HUGE red flag for everyone. It's buyer beware.


I know everyone on the drink side, and this is the stuff that keeps us up at night. We all are ex-athletes and the though of causing an issue for anyone makes me sick to my stomach. What makes me sleep well is knowing that if there was a better ingredient available, we would use it. Sacrificing quality for price is NEVER a factor for us. We are probably 95% US Domestic produced ingredients. Everything we do is pre-tested before it hits my door. I know we are premium, but it's the very best quality with supply chain control from beginning to end. That makes me feel better.


"...which Barnett had purchased at a store in Plano and cleared with her trainer before using..."


Who on earth is her trainer? I had never heard of this/these products & just a quick glance in viewing their website, how could any 1/2-way decent trainer, recommend a product w/ literally zero independent testing on the ingredients/sourcing?

Ah, what do you know?

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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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ah okay, there's my lack of understanding there. Good thing to have learned though as I always thought it was a little confusing.
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Re: Ironman Winner Sues Supplement Maker [triball13] [ In reply to ]
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Practically, you are correct however, because the FDA lacks the resources to check the product labels. So until things are monitored more closely, it will remain as if there is zero oversight, unless people die (usually the only time the FDA will start looking at a specific product).

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