The power profiling tables were made obsolete by the introduction of power-duration profiling in WKO4 several years ago.

You don't make something that's free obsolete when you introduce something with a $200 license fee.

How much help is my hidden motor giving me?

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A lot of reference to porn, are you SF wannabe gay porn actor or just fan of genre?

There's got to be some category named along the lines of "Worthy of posting on ST." Pretty sure somewhere between Mistaken for a Horse and German Porn Star.

ob·so·lete
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adjective
1.
no longer produced or used; out of date.
"the disposal of old and obsolete machinery"
synonyms: outdated, out of date, outmoded, old-fashioned, démodé, passé, out of fashion; More

verb
1.
cause (a product or idea) to be or become obsolete by replacing it with something new.
"we're trying to stimulate the business by obsoleting last year's designs"

Is it grammar Nazi-ish to point out you ignored the first clause of the dictionary definition you posted? Superseded would be appropriate, but obsolescence requires the obsolete item to be replaced.

Mind you, I'm not looking at this too seriously. It's just kind of fun dreaming that in bench-racing I'm a 2, whereas in reality, I'm "pack fodder".

OK, let me try phrasing it another way. The Golf GTI wasn't made obsolete by the recent introduction of the Lamborghini Huracan Performante, even though the Lambo is better in most respects.

supersede
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verb (used with object), superseded, superseding.
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to replace in power, authority, effectiveness, acceptance, use, etc., as by another person or thing.
2.
to set aside or cause to be set aside as void, useless, or obsolete, usually in favor of something mentioned; make obsolete:
They superseded the old statute with a new one.

yea, shocker, andy's being a dick again

I am just stating facts.

You are talking about two different car models.

Comparing power profiling to power duration profiling is more akin to comparing entirely different forms of transportation, e.g., a dirigible vs. an airplane.

You should read this:

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/power-profiling/

Does the 2018 Golf GTI make the 2017 Golf GTI obsolete? If you bought a 2017 I think you'd argue yours is not obsolete. But if you go into the factory they would say is obsolete because they have reorganized their machinery and can no longer make 2017 versions.

Maybe everyone is right and we can hug it out?

You're being deliberatively obtuse. You know very well that the $200 gateway is a barrier to wide adoption, while the basic free concept will continue to have value forever. You should consider that something of a complement. Your chart will never go away, like it or not. Might as well update (if you agree with the OP that such an update is warranted, which you may not.). And you can add on some subtext on the bottom that says something to the effect, of "Disclaimer: achieving these W/kg numbers does not mean you can actually win damned bike race of any kind, so don't come to me and complain that you're getting dropped from a Cat 5 crit. That's your problem, not mine."

Thanks!

I read it, and it gives perspective. Weighing what I weigh and doing what I've done for each of those it shows me where I am and gives a hint at my rider "type". It also tells me I probably haven't had the focus in training on a couple things.

I just can't believe, for me as a person, the correlation between the numbers I see and the brackets on the left (be it Categories or "fair/good/excellent"). I can do what it says, but don't think if you plopped me into a race of that Cat, that I could do it.

We'll find out this year I guess, first race ever is in March.

No, I'm not being obtuse. I simply stated the truth with respect to the tools that are presently available for analyzing cycling data. Power duration profiling has made power profiling obsolete. Whether people are willing to pay TrainingPeaks for the privilege of using the former tool is irrelevant.

As for updating the tables or providing explanatory material, you (and Zwift) seem to be well behind the times. The 8th (and final) version of the tables came out several years ago, and the logic behind their construction has been available since their genesis back in 2003.

" the best measure of a rider’s competitive ability relative to that of others is their actual race performance, not their power output."

Heh. OK.

I disagree. Adoption of a new thing is what determines whether something is obsolete.

So to take a different example: Google has a calendar that one can use that syncs across devices. But many if not the majority still use a paper calendar book in their personal despite all the selling points behind google's calendar program that should hypothetically put the other calendars out to pasture.

It's similar with WKO4. Technically it might be better, no doubt. But there are hurdles to it being mass adopted. Thus what it intends to replace is not obsolete because part of what makes the 20 minute FTP test (or whatever variant) useful is that people can actually use it, thus WKO4 doesn't supplant it due to cost.

Does wko4 have a mobile app yet?

I would like to try it out, but I spend 99.9% of my time on the phone - wouldn’t get value if I had to pull out my laptop, just wouldn’t do jt

No, and it probably never will.