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cl60guy
Jul 17, 12 18:01
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I haven't had an injury of any sort for over a year, and this one really caught me off guard. I was feeling pretty confident with my training for IMMT, although my volume is a little on the low side, but I have put pretty consistent 10-12 hour weeks in since the new year, with the odd 15+ hour week thrown in when the schedule allowed. My running volume has been low but I've been feeling strong with a 1:19 in my first attempt at an open half and then a 1:25 off the bike in my second HIM three weeks ago. My longest run was probably back in early may at 19 miles, but since then I've usually gotten 2 or 3 runs in the 13-17 mile range per four week block. Fitness wise I feel great on the run, but I feel limited by my body's ability to handle the impact as around the 15 mile mark the wheels start coming off and my legs start feeling pretty trashed, I can usually hold pace but it is a struggle. A typical week will have a long run, either hill repeats or speedwork, and a threshold workout with 4 or 5 repeats of 1 mile - 2km. This block I decided that adding a quick easy 20 minute run off the bike once or twice a week was a fairly low risk way to add some mileage with little risk. I came off a great week of training during a work trip to Vegas which included a really good long run of about 18 miles with a decent amount of climbing. I felt fine running but I did feel pain on the outside of my knee during a swim later that day but only using a whipkick. I had to travel across the country for a wedding this past friday so I missed a few days of training. I tried an easy run on saturday just to get moving again but was exhausted from the travel/wedding etc and pulled the plug after 7k. Sunday I was feeling better and had some time so I decided to knock out a 30k run. I started to feel the familiar pain only about 3k in, but decided to wait it out and see if it would pass. If I got up to around a 4:30/km pace it felt better than if I was back at 4:50 or slower (my average for long runs including warm-up is usually 4:45-4:50) I didn't ever feel great during the run, but it didn't seem to get any worse either. At around 18k I stopped for a red light, and when I tried to start again it hurt pretty bad but quickly subsided so I continued. The next red light I stopped and tried to stretch my IT band out a little. Trying to start again was torture, and I hobbled for a while trying to get up to running pace, but was forced to walk. The next 3k was made up of extremely painful burst of running with almost as painful walking breaks. Eventually I ended up limping the last 8k back to the hotel by keeping my left leg as straight as possible.
Its the first time I've never been able to finish a run and it pretty much freaked me out being so close to my first ironman attempt. Part of me thinks it may be my shoes as I've put a few more miles on them than I usually do as I haven't had a chance to replace them. This is my fifth pair of newton's and I've found with every pair that I start to get more pains in my knees and hips as soon as they approach the 500km mark.
I have ridden the last two days pain free, and I can walk with minimal discomfort, but I still really feel it going down stairs. I've always been pretty diligent with the TP rollers, but I've been giving my IT band a little extra attention the last couple days, along with icing it at every opportunity. I was hoping to get my highest volume weeks the next two weeks since I am on holidays, but the bike was going to be my focus anyways.
Anyways, sorry for the long post, just looking for what others would do now in my situation. Should I give it a few days and test it out when it feels better? Or just go cold turkey and hope for the best? If it was just a matter of running the marathon until the pain forced me to walk that would be one thing, but if it was anything like last sunday I don't know if I would even be able to walk it in!
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Your not the first and won't be the last.... use the search for some more but here is my professional opinion
1. Manual Therapy - ART, Massage Therapy, PT or combo of all three until you find the right therapist that knows what they are doing most don't even the ones I work with.
2. Glutes - Make them work properly
3. Buy a Foam Roller
4. Get new shoes
5. Go see an ortho after your massage visit. If the bursa/fat pad is swollen they may be able to inject it and get you on the road to recovery a little bit quicker. See if you can find a doc that does this guided via Ultrasound.
6. get some maintenance NSAIDS from the ortho careful in the heat
7. ice cup
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Stop running. Ice 3x a day. See a PT as soon as possible.
Probably should take the week off. If it hurt to walk, you are in serious trouble. I had an ITBS flare up last season where it hurt to walk. For the next two months, anything over 3 miles hurt. And beyond that, all the way to April of this year, I was having flare ups.
ITBS doesn't fuck around. Hopefully, you will find a way through it.
The silver lining - I had a HIM 2 months after my right ITB flared up. On the bike, BOTH knees were incredibly painful. But on the run, I never felt a thing.Not sure if it was running off the bike or what... Your IM may be ok
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Jul 17, 12 22:27
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My ITBS would flare up and it would take three days to subside to walk normally and an additional two to run short distances again. Strengthening my glutes is what it took to make it go away. Side leg lifts and lots of foam rolling mostly. Unfortunately it was about an eight week proccess. Stay on top of it, it's not some thing you can run through. GL
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I had ITBS a few months ago caused mostly by small change in bicycle cleat position. With old cleat position, pain has gone while riding a bike, but still could not run. I stopped running for 2 weeks, foam roller, stretching, ice. I started with short runs after that. Did IM 2 weeks ago with no problem.But it's difficult to say, what will work for you and how fast you'll be back. Good luck.
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Jul 18, 12 6:52
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Same boat. ITBS flare up.. 5 weeks out from IMKY
Started about 3 weeks ago as my volume increased for my last couple of build weeks.. It has gotten much better and I'm convinced I'll be good to go in 5 weeks
1x a week A.R.T. treatment from local chiro
Ice after every run
Foam roll as much as possible
Stretch whenever the oppurtunity presents itself
leg lifts while in bed
single leg squats before bed
Ibuprofen in morning/lunch/dinner
And... for what others have said... you can run through it if it happens on race day... it's just about how much pain you can handle... It sucks.. but its possible.
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Find a chiropractor or Physical Therapist that does "cold laser therapy." It got me back on the road from ITBS after months (and more) of suffering from it!
Also, forget the foam roller and go to Trigger Point's website. I tried to mimic their products for a long time to "save money." When I finally broke down and ordered from them I was very impressed!
http://tptherapy.com/...oducts/the-grid.html
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Jul 18, 12 7:11
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If you're in a state that allows PTs to practice trigger point dry needling, I highly recommend it. I had to drop out of CDA at the half mary because of my ITB issues. Got home and got needled. Pain was gone the next day. I have to work on the underlying issue (glutes), but the therapy is miraculous!
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I've been dealing with ITBS for the past 8 months. I've tried everything. It only gets bad for me on downhill portiions of runs. My PT first said it was my hips, then it was my glutes, then it was my stride, then it was my hips again....I still have it.
I have the full vineman coming up, full knowing my ITBS will start to flare on the downhill portion of the rollers. My actual longest run in the past 8 months has only been 8 miles. I have found that running slower and shortening your stride works to hold of the pain. I plan to ice & not run for the next 10 days prior to the race.
Good luck, ITBS sucks.
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Hi. Sorry to hear about your ITBS. I had it in one leg for 8 months, the other (managed) for 1 1/2 years. After a while I knew my onions.
Lots of the suggestions are great. The variance you hear is likely down to the fact that there are different causes of your ITBS. That said it is nearly always a glute / hip issue.
Do Not Run. Every minute you spend running on it whilst painful and inflamed is another 2 days to recover.
Understand the inflammation process. Unfortunately inflammation feeds on itself. The more inflamed something is, the more it swells, the more it swells the greater the resulting friction when used, the greater the friction the more it swells. Sods law.
You need to reduce the inflamation. Rest. Ice works with some, seems to make it worse with others - including me. Whether the ice makes surrounding areas contract and cause friction I don't know. Rest. Ibuprofen, take the max 600mg every 8 hours. Rest. Drop into your doctor, explain the situation and ask for Diclofenac gel / ointment made to 10% strength. You can use this in conjuction with Ibuprofen. Just rub it on the bursa area.
Roll and massage. Tight glutes (piriformis, glute med and glute min) are probably the cause. They are likely overworked due to being weak and have tightened. This is quite often the cause. Lacrosse ball rolling is really good. If you foam roll do 45 degrees either side of your ITB. Rolling your ITB, especially near the bursa, can create more friction and do more damage.
The biggest thing if you want to race in a few weeks is that you must find the cause. This is where the PT comes in. You need a PT .... not a chiro. Look at run gait, look at increases in distance / intensity, do you sit a lot at work? Tight hip flexors, shortened hamstrings.
If you can rest the leg, find the cause, reduce tightness in the glute / hips through massage and SLOWLY increase strength in those weak stabilising muscles you might well be good to go. (I say slowly because I went at it hammer and tongs and made it worse, they are only small muscles after all so don't thrash them every day)
After a couple of weeks build slowly, avoid hills at all costs.
You mentioned feeling a bit better faster than slower? This is probably to do with run form. Try not to 'bounce' lift your knee, pull through with your glute and reduce your stride so you don't land heavy on your heels. It is the impact shock that causes the ITB to fire to take up stabilisation of the leg. Stronger glute muscles take the work away from the ITB, weaker glute muscles give it back. if you can reduce the shock, reduce the up and down motion, then there is less for both the glute and ITB to do.
If it flares up in your race early on then bail. I would rather DNF that do considerable damage that will take months and months (maybe longer) to heal. If you are in the last few km's then walk.
Sorry for the long post. I just had a hideous time with ITBS and was told to give up triathlon by one sports doc. Now I know what it is that causes it I can always catch it in time. If I knew then what I knew now my ordeal would have been weeks not years. For me it was poor run form, too much bounce, and hip drop.
Get strong and good luck.
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Canyon93108 wrote:
I've been dealing with ITBS for the past 8 months. I've tried everything. It only gets bad for me on downhill portiions of runs. My PT first said it was my hips, then it was my glutes, then it was my stride, then it was my hips again....I still have it.
I have the full vineman coming up, full knowing my ITBS will start to flare on the downhill portion of the rollers. My actual longest run in the past 8 months has only been 8 miles. I have found that running slower and shortening your stride works to hold of the pain. I plan to ice & not run for the next 10 days prior to the race.
Good luck, ITBS sucks.
Resolving ITBS is a bit of throwing darts at the board....there is no universal resolution or cause. And your PT was likely correct on more than one issue above, as they can often be inter-related. Weak hip muscles can lead to poor stride / gait, etc.
For me, it is about my weak gluteus medius muscles and my stride. My feet landed far in front of me, depite a relatively quick cadence (95+). Whoever says you can't heel strike in VFF is wrong....and I have the video to prove it!! ;-)
Downhills will absolutely wrosen ITBS, since you naturally end up with an extended stride on the downhill sections. It can casue IT issues to flare up very quickly.
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Hi. Sorry to hear about your ITBS. I had it in one leg for 8 months, the other (managed) for 1 1/2 years. After a while I knew my onions.
Lots of the suggestions are great. The variance you hear is likely down to the fact that there are different causes of your ITBS. That said it is nearly always a glute / hip issue.
Do Not Run. Every minute you spend running on it whilst painful and inflamed is another 2 days to recover.
Understand the inflammation process. Unfortunately inflammation feeds on itself. The more inflamed something is, the more it swells, the more it swells the greater the resulting friction when used, the greater the friction the more it swells. Sods law.
You need to reduce the inflamation. Rest. Ice works with some, seems to make it worse with others - including me. Whether the ice makes surrounding areas contract and cause friction I don't know. Rest. Ibuprofen, take the max 600mg every 8 hours. Rest. Drop into your doctor, explain the situation and ask for Diclofenac gel / ointment made to 10% strength. You can use this in conjuction with Ibuprofen. Just rub it on the bursa area.
Roll and massage. Tight glutes (piriformis, glute med and glute min) are probably the cause. They are likely overworked due to being weak and have tightened. This is quite often the cause. Lacrosse ball rolling is really good. If you foam roll do 45 degrees either side of your ITB. Rolling your ITB, especially near the bursa, can create more friction and do more damage.
The biggest thing if you want to race in a few weeks is that you must find the cause. This is where the PT comes in. You need a PT .... not a chiro. Look at run gait, look at increases in distance / intensity, do you sit a lot at work? Tight hip flexors, shortened hamstrings.
If you can rest the leg, find the cause, reduce tightness in the glute / hips through massage and SLOWLY increase strength in those weak stabilising muscles you might well be good to go. (I say slowly because I went at it hammer and tongs and made it worse, they are only small muscles after all so don't thrash them every day)
After a couple of weeks build slowly, avoid hills at all costs.
You mentioned feeling a bit better faster than slower? This is probably to do with run form. Try not to 'bounce' lift your knee, pull through with your glute and reduce your stride so you don't land heavy on your heels. It is the impact shock that causes the ITB to fire to take up stabilisation of the leg. Stronger glute muscles take the work away from the ITB, weaker glute muscles give it back. if you can reduce the shock, reduce the up and down motion, then there is less for both the glute and ITB to do.
If it flares up in your race early on then bail. I would rather DNF that do considerable damage that will take months and months (maybe longer) to heal. If you are in the last few km's then walk.
Sorry for the long post. I just had a hideous time with ITBS and was told to give up triathlon by one sports doc. Now I know what it is that causes it I can always catch it in time. If I knew then what I knew now my ordeal would have been weeks not years. For me it was poor run form, too much bounce, and hip drop.
Get strong and good luck.
An excellent post...especially the bolded parts. People are quick to throw out "use a foam roller", but the reality is that other than the acute phase of ITBS, rolling the IT band does little. You need to roller to loosen the surrounding muscles, especially the hip and gluteus muscles.
The only thing I would disagree with is that I don't think you can do "considerable" damage with ITBS. It is an irritation (and a very painful one at that), but you aren't really doing any structural damage. If the pain level is tolerable, I don't think you risk any long-term damage. But you may well be increasing the length you are dealing with the symptoms.
Also, if the irritation is due largely to an inflamed bursa sac, a cortisone shot can be very helpful. The bursa are often so deep within the joint that icing and massage does little to help. I have had 2 cortisone shots at different times / flare-ups and they have helped immensely.
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The good news: There is very little hey left for you to put in the barn. I know you want one more big training push, but that would help you more for your next race than this one.
Already some good advice on here, one other thing: The injury will heal itself on its own timetable, not yours. Don't try and force anything. good luck..
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The only thing I would disagree with is that I don't think you can do "considerable" damage with ITBS. It is an irritation (and a very painful one at that), but you aren't really doing any structural damage.
If the pain level is tolerable, I don't think you risk any long-term damage. But you may well be increasing the length you are dealing with the symptoms.
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Disagree. You can weaken the attachment site on the tibia and thusly the ITB will always be prone to irritation. My PT told me that, basically, this is something that I will never completely get over/past. You live with it.
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I learned that ITBS is something that will NEVER heal on its own...something is wrong with your bio-mechanics which caused the problem, without correcting your bio-mechanics, even with taking a full year off of running (I tried...didnt work), it will not heal on its own.
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bradl016 wrote:
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The only thing I would disagree with is that I don't think you can do "considerable" damage with ITBS. It is an irritation (and a very painful one at that), but you aren't really doing any structural damage.
If the pain level is tolerable, I don't think you risk any long-term damage. But you may well be increasing the length you are dealing with the symptoms.
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Disagree. You can weaken the attachment site on the tibia and thusly the ITB will always be prone to irritation. My PT told me that, basically, this is something that I will never completely get over/past. You live with it.
I'll see your PT and raise you my ortho. ;-)
I don't think it is an issue either way since the pain is enough that most people stop long before they reach that point anyway. Agreed that it is something that I don't think I will ever get over....hip exercises are likely a constant part of my routine (at least as long as I want to run).
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i stopped thinking of my ITB stuff as physiotherapy and just call it training now.
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I appreciate the optimism! I have always found the run portion the easiest to 'fake' when heading into races without quite hitting the training volume I wanted, but I haven't had to try to fake a marathon yet! Worst case scenario, if I stop running from now until Tremblant, how much running specific endurance will I lose if I am able to make up for the lost training time with extra riding and swimming (mostly riding)? If you had extra time where would you invest it on the bike, an extra long ride per week, a hard mid-distance ride, or extra 2x20 etc?
Thanks to everyone for the responses. Yesterday I still had a slight twinge going down stairs, then I knocked out a decent 100 miler on the bike and felt great, and felt absolutely no pain once I got home. I've been icing 2-3 times a day, started adding in the leg lifts when the opportunity presents itself, and using my TP quadballer. To those who have tried both, do you like the grid better than the quadballer for upper leg work? I have an appoint with my PT tomorrow to hopefully diagnose the root cause which I am guessing is weak glute meds. I have been feeling that my piriformis is a bit tighter than normal lately. I am pretty confident in the abilities of the PT - I had knee pain last year which she quickly determined was being cause by lack of ankle mobility due to a minor injury sustained months before. She kept telling me she was sure I had hurt my ankle, and I kept insisting I hadn't, and it wasn't until I got home later that evening that I remembered rolling that ankle on a curb during a run months earlier which I thought nothing of at the time because after a couple minutes of cursing I was able to continue running with only minor discomfort. Anyways, she seems to know her stuff. Thanks again guys!
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I'm not a huge fan of the quadballer, except for travelling. Too much pressure in one concentrated area, IMO. I usually have to plant my other leg to keep some of the pressure off. (yes, I use it with a dose of HTFU....I just don't think it is the best design for everyday use).
re: leg lifts - personally, I don't think they are worth much. Spent 9 months doing them and no improvement. Quite simply - they are very easy to do "wrong". You recruit other muscles to compensate for the weak glute muscles....so you end up thinking you are doing something to help when only making the problem worse.
The key, IMO, is to find exercises that truly isolate the gluteus medius. I have been doing different brdges, as well as side-to-side "monster walks. Another helpful exercise is to stand with your side next to a wall. Place a towel or foam roller against the wall, lift your inside leg up and hold the towel / roller against the wall with it. Try and spread your legs apart and apply pressure to the towel / roller. You should begin to feel it in the glutes on your OUTSIDE muscles. Hold for a count of 10, so 10 times.
Seach IT on the borad and you will find many great exercises. Unfortunately, it is a bit of trial and error as different exercises seem to work better for different people. tigerchick has some great exercises listed in her posts. Also Google "MYRTL" hip exercises....some good videos of different hip exercises.
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As triathletes, We always seem to have overpowering quads and hamstrings from cycling and running. And conventional wisdom is that we treat ITBS with stretching, which isn't bad but doesn't really address part of the problem. Without a specific evaluation, I can say that many of the cases we have seen result from weaker than normal adductors and abductors. Running and cycling are single plane movements. Five weeks out I would begin strengthening abductors and adductors and rotators. Not heavy weight exercises but lots of reps. Focus on glutes, piriformis, and core. There is alot of recent research that says strengthening is actually better than stretching.
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