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Re: IMMT BIke Course [gibson00] [ In reply to ]
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gibson00 wrote:
What is the length and average grade of duplessis??
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I cannot comment avg grade, but the length according to the Oly course, from T1 and doing two loops of Duplessis is 40k. So 20k for a single loop.
http://www.triathlonmonttremblant.com/fra/VELO_2012.pdf



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Re: IMMT BIke Course [gibson00] [ In reply to ]
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well from t-zone up to the turn around and back - the out and back which will be on the 70.3 and IM courses - is about 30km. Not sure how much climbing exactly, a few hundred metres each time around I'd wager.

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [VanDrunken] [ In reply to ]
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Looking at it here (for the half IM):
http://ironmanmt.com/...09/Half-bike-eng.jpg

Looks like a good 3-5km of 12% grade on that final big uphill section, followed by a few shorter but very steep climbs? Ouch.
I recently started riding a Giant Trinity Composite, but I am thinking I might be better off using my Cervelo S3....
I'd probably climb better on it, and feel safer descending at speed on it...
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Re: IMMT BIke Course [steve_c] [ In reply to ]
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steve_c wrote:
well from t-zone up to the turn around and back - the out and back which will be on the 70.3 and IM courses - is about 30km. Not sure how much climbing exactly, a few hundred metres each time around I'd wager.

actually more like ~25km or so for that out-and-back (during the mdot races)...

you can see the profile from ~65km onwards here: http://ironmanmt.com/...09/Half-bike-eng.jpg

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [gibson00] [ In reply to ]
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take your Trinity, mate. The profile is pretty exaggerated - those 12% grades don't last long and the top section is rolling and punchy (i.e. you just hammer along in the aero bars punching up and down the little sharp rollers)

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [steve_c] [ In reply to ]
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agreed, on that map it looks like it is just over 25k. Also, that 12% grade according to their map shows ~100m of vert.



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Re: IMMT BIke Course [VanDrunken] [ In reply to ]
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VanDrunken wrote:
I cannot comment avg grade, but the length according to the Oly course, from T1 and doing two loops of Duplessis is 40k. So 20k for a single loop.
http://www.triathlonmonttremblant.com/fra/VELO_2012.pdf

Wow, that's a cruel course. I wonder if they will get the t-zone paved this week. It was still sand this weekend.
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Re: IMMT BIke Course [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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I have ridden Mooseman and IMLP a lot, and IMMT a couple of times last month. Mont Tremblant is easier than Mooseman and about the same effort as LP, but I think the real reason it will be faster than IMLP is that the roads are SOOOO much better than either Mooseman or LP that the rolling resistance is lower and the mental angst from the other courses is just not there. The toughest part is the out and back to Lac Superior, but it is fairly short and easier after the turn around. There was a spot in 117 around La Conception heading south that I was going around 25 mph for about 15 miles, at about 200w (72kg) So, no question it is going to be faster than both Mooseman and IMLP.



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Re: IMMT BIke Course [CJMcTri] [ In reply to ]
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That would be great if they got it paved.



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Re: IMMT BIke Course [VanDrunken] [ In reply to ]
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I rode it in April.. and from the Marriot in the village to the turn around at the end of Duplessis was 11.5k according to my Garmin 500.. Going out I remember 2 nasties in particular, short but very steep- the edge said 14% maximum grade, and they were pretty close to one another.

I don't remember which nasty it was, but the right side of the road gave way to a nice drop down into a gully, with no guard rail, so I imagine people will be riding closer to the center of the road, which could make the descents coming back a bit tricky.

Coming back from Duplessis to T2 is certainly easier, as you can use the downhills to power up the next climbs, as someone has posted previously.

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [VanDrunken] [ In reply to ]
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It was "supposed" to be paved in late May, apparently. Weather delays? Hmm..

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [gibson00] [ In reply to ]
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The Duplessis section is only 10km out and 10km back, falling at 70k through 90k of each loop. Can't give you a grade avg but knowing where it falls the course profile should give you a decent idea. It shows the section as being a little longer but unless I have the turn around wrong it's max 11k each way.


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Re: IMMT BIke Course [boney] [ In reply to ]
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I'm doing the 70.3 and wondering about wheel selection. I run a Hed C2 9 w/cover on the back. Should I keep the cover on? I'm thinking it's probably best to keep the cover on, but wanted to know what others thought or what you're doing.

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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Keep the cover on, why would you consider removing it...weight savings? There are some VERY fast sections on the bike course, keep that bad boy on and enjoy rocketing through some of the descents. Good luck!


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Re: IMMT BIke Course [VanDrunken] [ In reply to ]
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VanDrunken wrote:
agreed, on that map it looks like it is just over 25k. Also, that 12% grade according to their map shows ~100m of vert.

We did the last part of the IM course as an Oly today. 2 x 10km out of transition and back

There are a few 12% sections not incredibly long. It's not an easy section, several 400w spikes. just to get to the top of a hill.
DI2 would have been nice, it was continuous shifting. Compact and 11x27 was welcome. Could have done it with the 12x25 but I wouldn't if I wanted to keep my VI low.

Coming in and leaving, we drove a good part of the rest of the course. Long rollers.

Tremblant is going to be a spectactular IM venue. The whole thing is really well done with the resoirt embracing the whole TRI thing. There were cyclists everywhere. The roads were perfect. The lake is clear (but cold). The run course was not the 70.3 or IM course.

There is lots of room for parking. Transition is well set up although far from swim (500m). Doing the Oly this weekend, then the 70.3, then the IM, it will be well tuned.

This is going to be an amazing event. Well done Mt Tremblant.
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Re: IMMT BIke Course [steve_c] [ In reply to ]
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Steve_C, Boney, etc...

I've got an athlete who rode all/most of the course last summer before some of the road construction was completed and he rode it on a tri-bike. You guys say tri-bike, which is what he used last year. The computrainer course has him worried he should use a road bike...I've mentioned how much more difficult the compuT courses are than real life.

So, is the consensus generally a tri bike? 10:45ish on a course like IMTX/CdA/Kona. Having not been to the area, I'm thinking tri bike with shallower front wheel and maybe a deep dish rear wheel or his disc. Thanks.


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Re: IMMT BIke Course [-BrandonMarshTX] [ In reply to ]
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No brainer, tri-bike. The constant hills from roughly 70-80km (and again at 160-170km) are very difficult to maintain any kind of rythm, but the other 80 (or 160km) worth of riding range from fast descents, fast climbs, rollers, etc, all tri-bike material.


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Re: IMMT BIke Course [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed on all points, these guys are going to be excellent hosts.

I also raced yesterday and the run course was basically the first and last 5km of the 21km loop that will be used for both the 70.3 and IM.


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Re: IMMT BIke Course [-BrandonMarshTX] [ In reply to ]
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The tougher sections (chemin Duplessis) are pristine. Perfect ashphalt.

Tri bike for sure. I see no advantage of a road bike. No sharp turns, just up and up and up and down.

I am a big chicken and had no problems going down full speed in aero. Hed 60 in front, disc cover in back. Never felt even slightly not in control. Winds were very calm
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Re: IMMT BIke Course [boney] [ In reply to ]
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What AG ?
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Re: IMMT BIke Course [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Was M40-49, but I just saw that Sportstats updated their site to the standard five year age groups, so M40-44. And sadly, like you, I'm there in two weeks....and two months.


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Re: IMMT BIke Course [-BrandonMarshTX] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to agree with the posts above. Tri bike 100%.

While there is some climbing it is definitely manageable on a tri bike.

Also, I would like to let you guys know that transition has brand new asphalt and they are almost finished all the interlock work between transition and the village.

I didn't find the water to be cold but I would not have swam without a wetsuit.

Also, the run course is not as hilly as I expected, the first and last 5k have some decent hills but the middle section is relatively flat. I ran across a couple guys from Barrie,ON that were running along la P'tit train du Nord (run course) asking if they were on the right trail as they too thought it would be hillier.



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Re: IMMT BIke Course [boney] [ In reply to ]
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boney wrote:
Agreed on all points, these guys are going to be excellent hosts.

I also raced yesterday and the run course was basically the first and last 5km of the 21km loop that will be used for both the 70.3 and IM.

Yup - thinking about it, we did the hardest part of the bike course twice, and the hardest section of the run.

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [-BrandonMarshTX] [ In reply to ]
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Brandon,
As others have mentioned - TT bike for sure. In a perfect world, a TT bike w/Di2. It's really only the out section (of the out&back) on Duplessis that would merit a road bike, but can certainly be ridden well on a TT bike.
Steve

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Re: IMMT BIke Course [VanDrunken] [ In reply to ]
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Good seeing you on the run mate - sorry I didn't see you in transition!

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