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How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds?
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Just sitting in the media room in Stockholm after having finished the commentary on the Men's ITU Stockholm Triathlon and pondering just where Javier Gomes fits in the big picture of the sport's history. Today he very wisely won his 12th WTS Triathlon race in a very intelligent manner. Slow over the first 1000m (by his own admission) he quickly turned on the swim jets to get out of the water in a strong enough position to bike himself into the lead group within 1/2 a lap of the 40km bike. From there he controlled the bike situation. With Mario Mola in the chase pack, and the two Brownlee brothers, Richard Murray and Vincent Luis all not in Stockholm, Javier executed a near perfect second half of the race. He kept the pace fast enough on the bike to have a 80 second gap back to the chase pack with Mola, and then he ran hard enough for 5km to drop Aaron Royal and Joal Pereira and have a relatively easy last 5k to win the event (saving his legs for next Sunday's 70.3 World Champs in Austria). Stockholm is one of the few races in the world that Javier has not won at least once and today he fixed that situation.

With four ITU World Champs. One Olympic Games silver and 4th place, One Xterra World Championship, One 70.3 World Champ (last year just one week after Edmonton), Javier is in the very very short list of the greatest ever.

Those who are not lucky enough to meet Javier personally, should rest assured that he is one of the nicest guys on the circuit. He never says no to a media interview, charity request or opportunity to hep the sport grow. While some athletes are resting in their hotel rooms, Javier is out at a press conference or handing out awards at a kids race prior to his WTS Triathlon.

I first remember Javier racing to victory at the 2003 Queenstown Under 23 World Championships. He was spectacular and ran away from everyone on the 10k run. Then his heart problems took him out of the sport for a year and triathlon almost lost one of the greatest ambassadors before he ever really got started. From 2005-2009 he was pure magic. Taking the mantle from Sydney Olympic Champ Simon Whitfield, he took triathlon to a new level with his incredible speed in the swim-bike and run. He was almost unstoppable. It was a tendon problem in his foot that limited his run training prior to Beijing Olympics in 2008, that left Javier with the disappointing (by his standards) 4th place finish at those Olympics.

By 2009, Ali Brownlee wasn't just a little boy with potential anymore, he was a legitimate beast, and he and Javier (and eventually Jonny Brownlee) started their four year battle on the way to their epic race in London 2012 Olympic Games. No question that the biggest one day wins between 2009-2013 belonged to Ali Brownlee, but the consistency of racing all distances and formats belonged to Javier Gomez.

Ali Brownlee's incredible capacity to get ready for major one day races (London Olympics, Commonwealth Games, a few Grand Finals) have come at the expense of being able be on the podium 7-8 times a year (as Javier has been able to do).

Last year was pure magic for Javier with numerous wins over the year, his 4th World Championship/Series win in Edmonton and seven days later the 70.3 World Champs (in Mt Tremblant Canada over Frodeno and Tim Don) and finished off with a win one week later in China. Perhaps the most incredible 14 days of racing I have ever personally observed (3 different cities, 3 different formats, 3 different distances).

Today Javier won his second WTS Triathlon of the year, his 12th WTS race overall and he heads to Chicago's Grand Final in Sept as a legitimate threat to win his record breaking 5th World Title. Before that, he will head next week to race against Frodeno, Don, Kienle and 50 of the best 1/2 Ironman athletes in the world in Austria. Its truly mind-boggling.

Do I expect Javier to win next weekend? Hmmmm. Not an easy question. I do think that Jan, Tim, Sebastian are all fitter then they were 12 months ago and Javier has had very little time on his time trial bike (to put in the the proper 90+ km rides and 21+ km runs). I a not making pre excuses for Javier (he would never do that, just being accurate). If he does win next weekend in Austria, it will only add to his epic stature and if he places top 4-5 overall, its just a reflection of how talented he is that his priority is on the draft legal ITU racing (and Chicago) yet he can still be right in the thick of things in the 70.3 race circuit.

I am not sure if Javier Gomez will race Kona in 2016 (my suggestion would be to wait one more year post the stressful Rio Olympic Preparation Phase and do it in 2017). With a 4th and 2nd at the Olympic Games, I am sure this is Javier's BEST, LAST chance to go for Olympic Gold in Rio and I am sure he will do everything in his power to go for the gold. Regardless, by 2017, I am sure that just as we saw Daniel Ryf and Jan Frodeno be mega competitive in their first Kona races, Javier will be an immediate threat on his first attempt on the big Island.

Its easy to not fully appreciate when you are in the midst of an incredible athlete's greatest ever-days. I always try to remind people to take time and enjoy and value what they are seeing because its so unique and rare. Athletes who are as kind, generous and talented as Javier Gomez do not come along often. He is in the absolute peak of his career (age wise, knowledge wise, fitness wise and desire-wise). The sport is fortunate enough to have an incredible ambassador like Javier Gomez and we need to all enjoy just how great he is right now.

I personally hope we see 3-4 guys (Javier being one of them) all together at 16km off the bike next weekend in Austria 70.3 Worlds and a down to the wire final 1km run that is epic. I'm almost thinking of buying a ticket to Austria to simply watch as a spectator (the racing is going to be that awesome).


Barrie Shepley
Voice of the ITU, Hall of Fame Coach and Lover of All Things Triathlon
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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I think the bike course could be reasonably challenging with a pretty big climb. I don't know who that favors but suspect that gives Jan the edge. Of course Gomez is focused on ITU and Jan is focused on peaking for Hawaii so once again I have no idea who that advantages. Should be a good race though.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [Dumples] [ In reply to ]
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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He looked extremely strong today and won so easily that I would think he has a very good shot at winning in Austria. His speed is unparalleled and coming out of a less damaging build (Frodeno and Keinle focusing on Kona so heavily), I am almost inclined to think he will be fresher. Hard to fully believe that since JG has raced an awful lot this year, and over the last 18months.

It sure looks like a race for the ages and I hope the course turns out to be tough enough to really let the strongest stand tall.

Best,
Jack



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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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I follow the WTS and used to love Javier Gomez. But now when I seen him win all I think is, "A win for Javier is a win for torture and murder!"

-- Aaron Davidson
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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heh why do people always focus on the long course as the ultimate test? how about these guys who you think will out do javier in the 70.3 step down and take him on in a WTS race. Yes, I know they have done WTS before - but you know they will luck out to be top 20. So all in all, Javier IS the best triathlete hands down.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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coachbarrie wrote:
Javier has had very little time on his time trial bike (to put in the the proper 90+ km rides and 21+ km runs).

I don't think that is actually the case. I read in an interview (can't remember where right now) that he does 5 rides per week and 3 of those on the TT bike including his longride and he has multible pictures on his instagram showing him on his TT with others on roadbikes. Also with the Brownlees doing that crazy amount of cycling per week I am sure Gomez (btw not Gomes as in the title and the first sentense ;-) ) steped up his games in that regard this year as well to be ready for Rio.

One other interesting point. In his interview after the Rio test event he said he was taking it easy in the second half of the run as he is training "for a world championship". With the WTS championship beeing the series and 70.3 worlds being closer than the grand final do people think that he might actually have been talking about the 70.3 in particular?
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [Dumples] [ In reply to ]
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Dumples wrote:
I think the bike course could be reasonably challenging with a pretty big climb. I don't know who that favors but suspect that gives Jan the edge. Of course Gomez is focused on ITU and Jan is focused on peaking for Hawaii so once again I have no idea who that advantages. Should be a good race though.

Frodo and Gomez likely have similar watts per kilo, but Frodo still has to carry more weight over the climb.It's gotta soften his legs more than Gomez for the run. My money is on Gomez next weekend in Zelle. Plus Gomez does not have a crazy fast IM in his legs from July.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
I'll take Gomez for the win.

x2

He's a beast. Most others won't be able to keep up with him on the run.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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While not impossible, it is much much much more difficult, to go from 70.3 and longer racing down to draft legal ITU format. The speed required is significantly greater. The draft legal sprint-type anaerobic work is very different than the sustained 70.3 or Ironman energy system work. Usually (but not in all cases) once guys go to the 70.3 and longer they de-emphasize their swim volume and speed and this leaves them in no mans land in the very key fast ITU swimming. My experience is its easier to move up from ITU to 70.3, then it is to go from Ironman or 70.3 down to ITU.

A bit of a more fair battle if they Olympic distance race was non-drafting like the old Life Time Triathlons were.

In speaking to Javier two days ago, he said he had very few time trial rides this summer as he has been thick into the ITU format. The only saving grace is most ITU guys put in a 85-110km long weekend ride on non-race weekends and a 20-25km long run on their volume runs.

There will be three groups in Austria 70.3 Worlds.

A) A handful of legit Olympic Distance guys (Javier being the prime one)
B) A lot of 70.3 specialists
C) A group of Kona bound top end pros like Jan, Tim, etc

The "C" group of Ironman bound guys may be in heavy training for Kona. The "A" group like Gomez will be a bit short in volumes and specific training. And the "B" group will be 100% focused on the distance, intensity and peaking for Austria. Should make for some interesting racing.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
heh why do people always focus on the long course as the ultimate test? how about these guys who you think will out do javier in the 70.3 step down and take him on in a WTS race. Yes, I know they have done WTS before - but you know they will luck out to be top 20. So all in all, Javier IS the best triathlete hands down.

I agree with your thoughts on LC vs. SC. I can't figure it out either.

But I'm not sold on Javier being the best. I think Gwen has won a lot more prize money this year and AB has an Olympic Gold.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [B.McMaster] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone know of Gomes's Watts/kilo look like?

Keinle
Frodo
Gomes

Is Tim Don on the start line?
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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I just hope we've got good live coverage next weekend.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
Dumples wrote:
I think the bike course could be reasonably challenging with a pretty big climb. I don't know who that favors but suspect that gives Jan the edge. Of course Gomez is focused on ITU and Jan is focused on peaking for Hawaii so once again I have no idea who that advantages. Should be a good race though.


Plus Gomez does not have a crazy fast IM in his legs from July.

Agreed. I suspect Jan and Javier will exit the water right next to each other and stay pretty close on the bike but Javier will pull away during the second half of the run. The wild card is Kienle. If he has a good swim and exits only 2mins back or so he might push himself up toward the front on the bike. Climbing means there will be descending and, honestly, that's where I think Kienle could make up time. He's a strong runner as well. It would be great to see the three of them neck and neck in the last couple of miles.

That said there's a chance Sebi might just sit back, take it easy, and continue his build for Kona... which is honestly what I suspect he did last year.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
Dumples wrote:
I think the bike course could be reasonably challenging with a pretty big climb. I don't know who that favors but suspect that gives Jan the edge. Of course Gomez is focused on ITU and Jan is focused on peaking for Hawaii so once again I have no idea who that advantages. Should be a good race though.


Plus Gomez does not have a crazy fast IM in his legs from July.


Agreed. I suspect Jan and Javier will exit the water right next to each other and stay pretty close on the bike but Javier will pull away during the second half of the run. The wild card is Kienle. If he has a good swim and exits only 2mins back or so he might push himself up toward the front on the bike. Climbing means there will be descending and, honestly, that's where I think Kienle could make up time. He's a strong runner as well. It would be great to see the three of them neck and neck in the last couple of miles.

That said there's a chance Sebi might just sit back, take it easy, and continue his build for Kona... which is honestly what I suspect he did last year.

Don't fool yourself. Sebi didn't just come to Tremblant planning to doodle around and do nothing there. He was defending champ and had full intentions of defending. I talked to him afterwards (he was with the Hannes Group in the same hotel) and he was pretty pissed with his race. He said he tried and was flat. I don't think he was in Tremblant just for a vacation. Truth be told, the Tremblant course is way too easy for him to make an impact. Vegas had way more climbing early in the race and he was able to ride really hard, close the gap and ride through the field. In Tremblant the first 72K there is very little chance to make separation in a high caliber field in a 70.3. It's just to flat/undulating with not enough wind. It is actually similar terrain to Kona for the first 72K but there is rarely strong winds. In Kona, Kienle typically makes his catch heading to Hawi when the winds pick up.

It will be interesting to see what he can do in Zell. He'll really need to close the gap before the big climb and make serious time on the climb and the descent, but I don't know how much he can put on Gomez....we'll know this time next week.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [Cup] [ In reply to ]
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Cup wrote:
I just hope we've got good live coverage next weekend.
I think you'll get your whish. Austrian state television "ORF" is broadcasting live and that feed will also be put on ironmanlive. I don't know what the English commentary will be like, but the video feed should be live TV quality.

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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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I think he's the best there is right now if I had to pick one triathlete, yet untested in the the full distance. I don't see any reason why he can't win next week, especially seeing his 70.3 performance last year. I do imagine his primary focus is Chicago and ultimately Rio right now. It would be nice to meet him in Chicago, sounds like a great ambassador for the sport.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
It will be interesting to see what he can do in Zell. He'll really need to close the gap before the big climb and make serious time on the climb and the descent, but I don't know how much he can put on Gomez....we'll know this time next week.

There are only 20 km until the big climb and those 20 km are a small descent. So he will not be able to come closer to javier, if gomez is also pushing. The race will start at kilometer 45, when the course is getting flat and we will see you saved most energy on the climb.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
heh why do people always focus on the long course as the ultimate test? how about these guys who you think will out do javier in the 70.3 step down and take him on in a WTS race. Yes, I know they have done WTS before - but you know they will luck out to be top 20. So all in all, Javier IS the best triathlete hands down.

We focus on long course as the ultimate test because it is. These ITU/WTS races aren't real triathlons. The sport of triathlon was intended and is supposed to be an individual test of speed, fitness, and endurance. Draft legal triathlon does not allow for this and therefor I don't consider it to be the "ultimate test". Whoever came up with the idea of draft legal ITU racing completely missed the point about what a triathlon is supposed to be. Now, that being said, Gomez has proven himself in long course non-drafting races and is clearly one of the top athletes in our sport right now. Do I look at him the same as I do Rinny, Crowie, Mark Allen, Dave Scott, and Chrissie Wellington and the like? No, because he has not passed the ultimate test. Sorry but ITU/WTS racing just isn't the same and we shouldn't put those athletes on the same pedestal as the elites of Ironman racing.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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Since no one has said it yet, I'd like to thank you for not yelling at us in the title. ;-)

p.s. Gomez has as good a chance as the other big hitters.
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [leiti] [ In reply to ]
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I somewhat agree.
I think the last 25 or so kilometer are not to be underestimated. That is after you already passed through Zell, so you might think you're almost home, but then there is another loop with quite a few extra turns and a lot of people will lose time there if they don't stay focused and keep pushing.
But even before that: I think the stronger Überbikers will also do well on the descent. After the steeper first 3 or 4 km, there's quite a bit of descent (until Saalfelden) left where you can actually gain some ground if you have a big enough gear with you.

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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [crujones#33] [ In reply to ]
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crujones#33 wrote:
synthetic wrote:
heh why do people always focus on the long course as the ultimate test? how about these guys who you think will out do javier in the 70.3 step down and take him on in a WTS race. Yes, I know they have done WTS before - but you know they will luck out to be top 20. So all in all, Javier IS the best triathlete hands down.

We focus on long course as the ultimate test because it is. These ITU/WTS races aren't real triathlons. The sport of triathlon was intended and is supposed to be an individual test of speed, fitness, and endurance. Draft legal triathlon does not allow for this and therefor I don't consider it to be the "ultimate test". Whoever came up with the idea of draft legal ITU racing completely missed the point about what a triathlon is supposed to be. Now, that being said, Gomez has proven himself in long course non-drafting races and is clearly one of the top athletes in our sport right now. Do I look at him the same as I do Rinny, Crowie, Mark Allen, Dave Scott, and Chrissie Wellington and the like? No, because he has not passed the ultimate test. Sorry but ITU/WTS racing just isn't the same and we shouldn't put those athletes on the same pedestal as the elites of Ironman racing.

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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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My best guess...

1. Frodo
2. Gomes
3. Keinle or ???


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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [k89533720] [ In reply to ]
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I go with:
1 - Gomez
2 - Don
3 - Reed

Javier's gonna exit the water first, reach T2 1 minute behind and crash it on the run

:)
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Re: How good is Javier Gomes? Can he win 70.3 Worlds? [crujones#33] [ In reply to ]
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This would be a valid argument if the drafting rules in LC races offered no advantage to the leaders. Reading interviews with the pros, it is clear that they do benefit significantly from a draft, and work together as a pack. (I strongly agree with you that the 5150 distance lost something when they introduced drafting.)

The 'ultimate test', if we are going for absolutes, would be a Time Trial format with staggered starts, but even then you run into issues with weather as a variable.

In terms of viewing excitement, and probably appeal to casual viewers, it would probably rank as follows: Super Sprint, ITU, a 140.6 or 70.3 edited to a reasonable viewing time.

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