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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Big-Pete] [ In reply to ]
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Got a call from Garmin Chicago and they have several in stock. I would grab a set, but just got two new Quarqs for my bikes.
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Lederman] [ In reply to ]
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It largely comes down to whether your LBS placed orders early for Vector. It's backlogged no matter how you slice it, but those that planned have slightly better availability.

Online shops, and/or online components of LBS's aren't allowed to take orders yet at this point.


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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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My LBS found a set! Once I install it and torque them accurately I'll have to choose a method to train with power. Can't wait!
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Sword] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [durk onion] [ In reply to ]
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durk onion wrote:
Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.

As noted it's easier as long as your bottom brackets are identical.

Otherwise, all bets are off.


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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [durk onion] [ In reply to ]
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durk onion wrote:
Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.

Not that surprising to me...I said that 3 years ago when talking about sharing a power meter between a road bike and a TT bike.

It's tough to beat just over a minute ;-)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ibycOXD-Mw0

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
durk onion wrote:
Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.

As noted it's easier as long as your bottom brackets are identical.

Otherwise, all bets are off.

This, for me, is a solid reason for Vectors. My TT bike is GPX and my Roadie is BB30. Furthermore, I have race and training wheels for my TT. This seems to be the best solution for satisfying all 3 possibilities for me. Price is the only thing of concern at this point knowing I could get power much cheaper.....damn I wish they were around the $1000 point!! Or better yet, a one pedal option and estimating power similar to Stages solution.
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
durk onion wrote:
Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.


As noted it's easier as long as your bottom brackets are identical.

Otherwise, all bets are off.

Exactly why I'm Jonesing for Vectors. I have BB30 on my road bike (which I use for >90% of training and about 50% of my races*) and a standard English square taper on my TT bike. I use different crank lengths on each and I like the carbon cranks on my roadie. I also have reasons for not going PowerTap. That effectively leaves Vector as the ideal meter for me since I can swap between bikes (I'm not touching that Polar stuff).

I will concede that just before Vector dropped I had myself 99% convinced to buy Quarq for the road bike and worry about power on the TT bike later.

Additional thanks to Ray for being his usual detailed self in the full review. I have about 4mm of chain clearance (on my road bike) and was wondering whether this would be okay with the Vectors.


* - Bike races, before anyone says anything.

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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
durk onion wrote:
Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.


Not that surprising to me...I said that 3 years ago when talking about sharing a power meter between a road bike and a TT bike.

It's tough to beat just over a minute ;-)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ibycOXD-Mw0

Indeed, one of the great power-meter videos out there. :)

I'll be re-creating it (with credit) as part of my Quarq Elsa review in a few weeks. Just waiting for my GXP BB to come in for my new road bike (it's what the Elsa and the rest of my units are). Plus, back to back videos will help give folks a good idea of how long it takes between identical situations.


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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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A BB30 Quarq works just fine on a threaded BB bike using Rotor's BSA30 BB. That's what I have on my alu P3.

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
durk onion wrote:
Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.


Not that surprising to me...I said that 3 years ago when talking about sharing a power meter between a road bike and a TT bike.

It's tough to beat just over a minute ;-)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ibycOXD-Mw0


Indeed, one of the great power-meter videos out there. :)

I'll be re-creating it (with credit) as part of my Quarq Elsa review in a few weeks. Just waiting for my GXP BB to come in for my new road bike (it's what the Elsa and the rest of my units are). Plus, back to back videos will help give folks a good idea of how long it takes between identical situations.


Yeah, the GXPs are probably the easiest/fastest to swap...and I'm pretty sure I could get sub 1 minute if I practiced at all ;-)

Edit: That said, a BB30 would swap pretty fast too with a spare NDS crank (and pedal) that would be left in each bike. Then just the DS crank would be swapped :-)

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
Last edited by: Tom A.: Sep 14, 13 17:53
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Is this a conversion BB for standard to BB30? So any standard BB could accept BB30 cranks? Can you go the other way as well?
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Goop] [ In reply to ]
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Is this a conversion BB for standard to BB30? So any standard BB could accept BB30 cranks? Can you go the other way as well?

It's a BB with threaded cups that has an inner diameter that accepts a 30mm diameter spindle. The caveat is that you need to use a crank that has a spindle length as long as the Rotor version. The SRAM Quarq BB30 models fit that bill, so that crank can be used in a BB30 (and BBRight) frame as well as a BSA threaded frame.

http://www.rotorbikeusa.com/..._bottom_bracket.html

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, that's good to know. I was under the impression that not all BB30 were created equal and the Rotor stuff wasn't necessarily compatible with other BB30.

So would the SRAM Force BB30 cranksets also work on an English BB with this adapter? Is it easier to say what IS or what ISN'T compatible with the BSA30?

(One of my sources of confusion: http://velonews.competitor.com/...he-right-shoe_165957 Last question on the page)


Edit: I should read all the way to the bottom of the page before replying.
I do have another stupid question though... does this mean that the Q-factor of the Quarq is higher than a standard SRAM BB30 crankset due to the longer spindle? Or am I missing something (likely)?

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Last edited by: drsteve: Sep 14, 13 18:53
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think that the Q factor is any greater (I haven't noticed it), and if it is, it can't be by much.

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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drsteve wrote:
Thanks, that's good to know. I was under the impression that not all BB30 were created equal and the Rotor stuff wasn't necessarily compatible with other BB30.

So would the SRAM Force BB30 cranksets also work on an English BB with this adapter? Is it easier to say what IS or what ISN'T compatible with the BSA30?

(One of my sources of confusion: http://velonews.competitor.com/...he-right-shoe_165957 Last question on the page)


Edit: I should read all the way to the bottom of the page before replying.
I do have another stupid question though... does this mean that the Q-factor of the Quarq is higher than a standard SRAM BB30 crankset due to the longer spindle? Or am I missing something (likely)?

the sram force bb30 wont work with the BSA30. THe spindle isnt long enough. I use a sram s951 bb30 crankset on my roadbike with bsa30. If I want to use my Elsa, I it's a quick swap.
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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It largely comes down to whether your LBS placed orders early for Vector. It's backlogged no matter how you slice it, but those that planned have slightly better availability.

Online shops, and/or online components of LBS's aren't allowed to take orders yet at this point.
FWIW, I've had em on order at my LBS since the release announcement. Said LBS uses QBP as a distributor instead of Garmin direct. estimated arrival date was this week. I still have yet to see them.

- Pete


Luckily my over eating disorder is offset by my over exercising disorder
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
durk onion wrote:
Interesting that he mentions that it's easier to swap over a Quarq than the pedals. I think a lot of people wanted the Vector for quick swaps between bikes.


Not that surprising to me...I said that 3 years ago when talking about sharing a power meter between a road bike and a TT bike.

It's tough to beat just over a minute ;-)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ibycOXD-Mw0


Indeed, one of the great power-meter videos out there. :)

I'll be re-creating it (with credit) as part of my Quarq Elsa review in a few weeks. Just waiting for my GXP BB to come in for my new road bike (it's what the Elsa and the rest of my units are). Plus, back to back videos will help give folks a good idea of how long it takes between identical situations.

No to get picky, but it you dont have the same, uh, urgency as the dude in the crank change video and it still only took 4.5 minutes.
The first pedal took you 1:10 to remove and the second 25 seconds - together this should've been 15 seconds. Tops. that's 1:35 lost, so now we're down to 3:00. Take off another :30 for general efficiency and you're down to 2-2:30 for the entire process. Not meaningfully different in the grand scheme of things IMO!

- Pete


Luckily my over eating disorder is offset by my over exercising disorder
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [Big-Pete] [ In reply to ]
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True, but do that enough times at speed and I promise you'll break a pedal pod. Remember it's not just removing the pedal, but the pods and tiny little connector to it.

I could easily get it under 5-minutes, but I'd argue below 4mins and you're getting sloppy with parts one shouldn't get sloppy with on install. ;)


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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a Garmin dealer and just received my Vectors today (not a pre-book order either). Was initially told they were on backorder until the 23rd, then 30th but they showed up early. Always a nice surprise.

Now to get them on the bike!
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Re: Garmin Vectors Going Prime-Time [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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FYI - For anyone looking for the 15 mm crowfoot attachment for the torque wrench, Amazon is sold out for 1-2 months as is snap-on. I found one at Zorotools.com for $17.11 shipped.

- Pete


Luckily my over eating disorder is offset by my over exercising disorder
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