sorry my friend but english is my second language. I m not here as a official representative but simply a passionate of our sport. I m sure if i write in french, there wont be a single mistake. but i m pretty sure everyone got the main idea of my message in frenglish...

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I have owned multiple kinds of Timex, Polar, and Garmin devices, and I have had issues with all of them at some point. However, the only issue I ever had with a Garmin was a firmware update that went bad and ended up with a 310XT that was essentially dead. Contacted Garmin and they sent me a new one, even though it was past the warranty, since it was their firmware update that went bad. While I was waiting, I pulled out my FR305 that was 5-6 years old and it worked like a champ.

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I've never carried a lock for my bike which has an SRM and Garmin 800 mounted on it. If I were a thief I would take the whole bike not mess around trying to remove some fancy pedals.

The vector is out!

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wow, I really regret not holding out... just didn't have the discipline or will power I guess. What will I do with 7 years of accurate, consistent SRM power data from thousands of hours of training and racing? Oh well.

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I know right. All those stage race adventures where I punched above my weight by perfect TT pacing with my powertap the last 3 years I coulda saved my money.

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not to mention that on DC "review" stages at $699 matches pretty evenly with quarq/pt/vector...

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The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev

Ok this is some goofey logic if I ever heard it. It is like saying you don't want a P5 because your P3 has been serving you well for 8 yrs. It is the latest toy. It has some interesting benefits and looks, from 24 hrs worth of data, to be a solid offering. The real question is it worth $900 more than a Stages or $700 more than a powertap with an alloy wheelset?

p.s. I realize that I am stretching it a bit with the P5 vs. P3 comparison because Cervelo provided data from the get go that the P5 was aerodynamically faster, but I don't think it is any more of a stretch than your logic.

Yea, I'm not sure "waiting" for it is the right idea. I know I wasn't really at all in the market for a powermeter several years ago, whereas I'm at least considering the possibility of one in the near future. For me, this would actually be my cheapest option because even Stages I would have to buy a whole new crankset for one of my bikes (which do not have the same BB...)
I really do like the simplicity of this, and you can tell me all you want about how easy it is to change wheels and change cranks, and that's true, but I use different cranks/BBs on different bike (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) and use different wheels on different bikes. I don't, however, use different pedals. As it is now, I only have one pair of road pedals that I swap back and forth as needed.
The only thing about this is that Garmin's press release mentioned the Edges and the Forerunner 910, but nothing about the Forerunner 310, even though the 310 is supposed to be PM-compatible. I know it doesn't do left/right balance, but I'd still like to know if this would work with a 310.

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It SHOULD display power on any head unit that displays power.... that is the benefit of using an open standard like ANT+. You are correct about the L/R balance not displaying, as far as I know that is not actually in the standard yet, but has been proposed last I heard.

quote ericM40-44 "wow, I really regret not holding out... just didn't have the discipline or will power I guess. What will I do with 7 years of accurate, consistent SRM power data from thousands of hours of training and racing? Oh well."

Your logic is ridiculous...

I'm really looking forward to all of you finishing patting yourselves on the back for not waiting so we can start a proper discussion about the vector. What exactly does that add to the conversation? I could tell you that I didn't buy an SRM and went with powertap instead, but that would be equally ridiculous.

I also didn't wait and installed powertaps in my training and racing wheels... but I'm still intrigued by the Vector. If it proves to be reliable, functional, and durable it will be another great product out of many great choices in the power meter market. Personally I'd love to briefly rent a set. I'm having a lot of right leg issues in the last couple years and I'd love to see whats happening on the bike on my bad days with my left/right power. Of course since I already own a power meter I'm not interested in purchasing one. So whose going to buy a set and then rent them to me?

DCRainmaker's First Hands on


http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...n-garmin-vector.html

Well another difference in the analogy is that I consider the powertap to be a superior product, rather than inferior =)

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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

I think it might be a little early, given that it was released to the public today, to be saying one product is inferior to the other. Time will tell on multiple fronts as to what the superior product is. And this is coming from someone who bought a powertap two months ago, has no plan on upgrading, and has nothing but positive experiences with the hardware of the powertap. (the software is a different case all together, but that is an easily changed thing, I just need to bite the bullet)

The ANT+ spec regarding left/right was formalized (finalized) about 18-20 months ago (roughly). The most recent updates (formalized) added in Pedal Smoothness and Torque Efficiency, roughly late last year ahead of the ROTOR release.

It's up to individual ANT+ head unit companies to implement it.

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10-4 I stand corrected, thanks for the update.

I suppose there is the advantage of chain friction not being a confounding variable.

that is about the only theoretically possible
substantive advantage I can think of =)

well and you can use any wheel you want, but I don't care about that much.

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
Aeroweenie.com -Compendium of Aero Data and Knowledge
Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

Along a different train of thought....is there an actual definition of what "Pedal Smoothness" and "Torque Efficiency" are? I am asking for units, and calculations if they exist. i.e.is Pedal Smoothness the derivative of cadence?

As alluded to in DCRainmaker's article the left right thing could be interesting after more research. It allows any wheelset, AND any crankset you want. I.e. a zipp disc and a shimano crank. I'm not saying these benefits are worth the price they are asking....but they are differences from other established power meters. It just seems silly to write them off this soon after they have been released.

pyrahna wrote:

Along a different train of thought....is there an actual definition of what "Pedal Smoothness" and "Torque Efficiency" are? I am asking for units, and calculations if they exist. i.e.is Pedal Smoothness the derivative of cadence?

Torque Efficiency speaks to the ratio of positive and negative power � in other words, how much your pulling up versus pushing down. Pedal Smoothness is how even your pedaling is over the course of the stroke. This is similar to Spin Scan as found on a CompuTrainer.


That's a good point, I'll add that into the post there.


Btw, I went back and checked the date for those two metrics - the official date was actually only Feb 2013 for the announcement, so a few months later than I remembered.

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I understand the basic concepts....I am just wondering what the actual calculations are. i.e. if I had data that included the left and right torques, and instantaneous cadences, how would I calculate Pedal Smoothness and Torque Efficiency? This is a personal issue of not talking about 'metrics' that I don't understand at a mathematical level.

Torque Efficiency speaks to the ratio of positive and negative power � in other words, how much your pulling up versus pushing down. Pedal Smoothness is how even your pedaling is over the course of the stroke.

The problem being that these terms and metrics give the impression that they are a "universal good" when they aren't by a long shot. I envision lots of salesmen pretending otherwise, and novices wasting time trying to maximize these values.

Do you have a URL for those ANT+ profile updates (I have a hard time navigating the ANT+ site to find the specs...).

In your review you write: Note that at present Vector does not transmit this information (yet).

Is that "just" a matter of a firmware update for the pedals?

That data would be for me the reason to buy the Vector (I already have power meters.)

Will there be a mode comparable to the "Pedal Force Profile" of the "Power Pedals" (http://www.bikepowerpedals.com/)? On one website I found a brochure for the Garmin Vector that states: "See the whole force profile of the pedal stroke". Any information on that?