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GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo
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I know the answer already......it depends. But GENERALLY what is going to be a faster set up for race day? A set of GP 4000 vs the Conti attack/force combo.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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Attack/Force.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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IIRC the Attack/Force combo will have a lower CRR.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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You can rotate the GP4000S and it wears, so a big cost savings to keep the freshest (most aero) tire up front and rotate to the rear. With Attack/Force all you can do is replace both.


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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [trail] [ In reply to ]
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The attack/force combo is going to have less flat protection right? Any other downside?
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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I've gone through two attacks with bad flats. Force still going strong.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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Tread is thinner. Everything else is the same.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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Attack Force is 3 watts faster but that doesn't account for aero benefits...that said, if want the fastest option just go super sonic or turbo cotton.

Team_Doc28 wrote:
I know the answer already......it depends. But GENERALLY what is going to be a faster set up for race day? A set of GP 4000 vs the Conti attack/force combo.
Thanks!
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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True. But I like to at least consider flat protection as well.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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I run an attack up front, and a GP4000s in the back... then I keep a spare GP4000S handy in case either one fail. Knock wood... I've had pretty good luck with no flats.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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Attack/Force should be faster. Attack ~same Crr as GP4000s 23c but narrower so should have less CdA, I heard mounting it backwards improves the aero performance even more, maybe someone else will chime in on that and confirm. Force has less Crr than GP4k 23c. PSA, you can buy a A/F set here for $95 & free shipping.

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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [hardidu] [ In reply to ]
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hardidu wrote:
I run an attack up front, and a GP4000s in the back... then I keep a spare GP4000S handy in case either one fail. Knock wood... I've had pretty good luck with no flats.

that's the kind of logic that'll get you branded a heretic around here.

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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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Attack/Force. Fact. Period.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [TWAZ] [ In reply to ]
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TWAZ wrote:
Attack/Force. Fact. Period.

And the Specialized Turbo Cotton even faster?
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [hardidu] [ In reply to ]
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hardidu wrote:
I run an attack up front, and a GP4000s in the back... then I keep a spare GP4000S handy in case either one fail. Knock wood... I've had pretty good luck with no flats.

I've got a buddy who does this. He's fast as hell, so even if it's not the best option it's not like I can say much about it!
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [wacomme] [ In reply to ]
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wacomme wrote:
TWAZ wrote:
Attack/Force. Fact. Period.


And the Specialized Turbo Cotton even faster?


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Last edited by: trail: Jul 1, 15 22:04
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [wacomme] [ In reply to ]
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Shape of tire on rim big part of equation.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Vittoria Pista EVO CS! Which is essentially a latex tube.

If I used tubulars, that's what I'd put on the front. Crono on the back.

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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:

If I used tubulars, that's what I'd put on the front. Crono on the back.

I use it as on the front disc in my track pursuit setup, and that's it. I'd be afraid to on almost any road. It makes the Supersonic look like a Gatorskin. I speculate that it'd instantly shred if you locked up a wheel just for a moment.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
Tread is thinner. Everything else is the same.

I see that bike24.de has Continental GP Force II and GP Attack II in stock, couldn't find anything at continental.de though. Just a slight update, like with GP4000S, or? The combo is also available, but as a non-II version. All are labeled as 2016 batch though.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [acco] [ In reply to ]
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Conti changed Attack/Force to be a 23/25mm pair, now available in German online stores.
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [acco] [ In reply to ]
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Are you sure? Bike24 has the II versions (individual package) still as 22/24mm
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [Team_Doc28] [ In reply to ]
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Team_Doc28 wrote:
True. But I like to at least consider flat protection as well.

What is your tolerance for flats? It has been over two years and like 30+ races on Supersonics since I have had a flat. In that time I have seen literally 100s if not thousands of flats.

How did you come to the conclusion that supersonics have no flat protection?


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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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Re: GP4000 vs Attack/Force combo [acco] [ In reply to ]
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Weird. Because even the Conti site has them as 22/24. Maybe some sites have taken it upon themselves to report true widths instead of those advertised, as Conti's never run true to size imo.
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