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kny
Aug 5, 12 21:05
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No coincidence that phrase was used in USADA's response letter to UCI's demand for jurisdiction over the Armstrong case. Apparently Tygart has used it before in reference to UCI and it makes Pat McQuaid go bat shit. Too funny.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/...n-tour-of-california
fasterisbetter
Aug 6, 12 9:11
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The whole thing is rubbish. The UCI has supported any number of national anti-doping agencies to sanction riders for years, now with LA they don't have the authority? From the people that I have talked to at USADA Tygart doesn't really want to be going after LA, but he has to. You can't have a dozen people come forward and say, 'hey this guy cheated and I'll testify against him," choose not follow up on the case, and maintain any kind of legitimacy as an anti-doping organization. USADA is recognized by WADA and the US government as the competent authority, the UCI is just making noise in order to maintain its position as the most inept organization in all of sport...
Cloe said it best, "Pat McQauid is a dick."
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kny
Aug 6, 12 9:15
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"Then there was a press conference and there was the comment about the fox guarding the henhouse. McQuaid went crazy and demanded an apology. One wasn't forthcoming and there was a huge thing. It was seen as an affront to Pat McQuaid's honour and fuck the sport if Pat McQuaid's honour is impeached.
"The deal that had been agreed in writing was pulled off the table. Pat assured the race that the UCI would do the testing and test for EPO."
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asked the source if blood testing had been carried out at the race. The source said: "I don't know but I believe it was only urine testing."
TriBriGuy
Aug 6, 12 9:35
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Ever since Floyd started talking, I've had a feeling that if the story found the right legs, in the right order, it could crash the gates of pro cycling. I still think it is anything but a done deal. But all of the roaches are being driven out of the woodwork. Moreso than the Festina affair, or the issues w/the Pevanage camp, Manolo Sainz's apparatus, and Puerto, this one threatens to take the UCI with it. Will IOC or anyone come to defense of UCI if what is purported to be true comes out? Not likely.
This could end up as the biggest doping case in the history of sport. Even the Ben Johnson affair pales in comparison to the purported scope of this case. If all of the apparent evidence comes out, and the governing body of an entire sport gets plastered for complicity, the effects are going to be far reaching. Certainly they will be felt far beyond cycling. WADA and national ADAs will be emobodened, strengthened, and afforded wider latitude in addressing the problems. And the IOC will likely take very different stances with the other sport governing bodies.
This thing will become about far more than LA. On the other hand, he could come out looking a bit like a fall guy if all of the dominos don't fall.
To state the obvious, though, there are still many acts in this play. And there is no telling yet how it will turn out.
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Runguy
Aug 6, 12 10:11
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I put this "
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Aug 6, 12 10:27
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The fact that McQuaid pulled the testing program for ATOC because his feelings got hurt is telling. Way to put yourself ahead of advancing the sport, Pat.
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Aug 6, 12 10:30
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fasterisbetter wrote:
The whole thing is rubbish.
It's very odd, hard to believe they aren't worried about something coming out that shouldn't come out. It's no secret they looked the other way for many years unless forced to do otherwise (e.g. when a rider was dumb enough to fail a test) and we know they knew of riders doping and didn't suspend them, even warned them (e.g. Tyler Hamilton). I suspect they know there is some potential bad stuff that could make them look really bad given the current attitudes and knowledge surrounding doping. I think, again, it is important to keep in mind that there was a far different attitude towards doping and testing, etc. for a good bit of time that this case is likely to cover.
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Aug 6, 12 12:30
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The UCI hasn't served a valid function in the sport for more than a decade. It's a shame that the Rothschild plan or one of the other alternatives didn't take last year. Really, the sport is a big mess, and the double-talk and double-standards are only the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully the UCI will have to clean house after this and maybe, just maybe, the sport can get back to what it was supposed to be (instead of worrying about whether riders use a grip tape applied to their saddle after production or if it was applied at the factory level, etc.).
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Dilbert
Aug 6, 12 12:37
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fasterisbetter wrote:
The UCI hasn't served a valid function in the sport for more than a decade.
Sure they did. They are the guys that bring a carpenter's level and a steel ruler to the races and measure your saddle angle. They wouldn't want you having an unfair advantage.
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The whole thing is a farce. Ullrich doped. Basso doped. Pantani doped. Floyd doped. Armstrong doped. They all did it. And the UCI knew. And did NOTHING about it.
Actually if they cared, Riis, Gianetti and co. would never be allowed to be in any function, be it as a manager, director, coach or whatever within a pro or amateur team.
Never. They should be bared from any involvement with cycling aside from going around clubs, giving talks about how they fucked up, etc.
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Aug 6, 12 12:48
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That's fairly Draconian, Francois. It's an attractive idea, I'll admit. But if we're really talking about a situation where the system was top-to-bottom, including the sport's governing body, then I think there has to be some way to accomodate those who played the game as riders, because that's what was all-but-required to be in the sport. If you're going to toss Riis, then you've got to toss Vaughters. How far back are we going to take that hunt to root out the problem? If we dig far enough, we're going to start talking about The Badger, and some others. I also think the Draconian approach would provide incentive to those still out there unexposed to continue in silence.
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Aug 6, 12 12:49
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Hinault is just as dirty...Probably not drugs as strong as now, but dirty nonetheless. The thing is that without draconian measures, status quo is the only thing we can expect.
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Aug 6, 12 12:58
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The problem is the UCI always thought they could manage the endemic doping as the horse slowly but surely bolted from the barn for the last 15 years. They probably would have been better off drawing a line in the sand and saying "no more" at some point but instead they let dopers get away with it for years until WADA basically made it very difficult for them to protect the stars any longer. Not that that stopped them from doing so at many turns. Now the last few years they seem to have largely taken a zero tolerance policy, but again, the problem with this case is that it goes back to the time when they were at best willing to look the other way and at worst willing to cover it up.
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I'd love for someone to tell why in the world a at the time current athlete wrote $125,000 of checks to the UCI...No one has given any reason for this.
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Aug 6, 12 13:08
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Francois wrote:
I'd love for someone to tell why in the world a at the time current athlete wrote $125,000 of checks to the UCI...No one has given any reason for this.
To aid in the fight against doping. Again, the absurdity of this is staggering given that anyone in the know which I think would include many at the UCI had to know what was going on in the sport. I can't remember was this before or after the EPO "positives" when it was clear to anyone paying attention what was going on with Armstrong (as if it wasn't clear for many other reasons)?
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styrrell
Aug 6, 12 13:10
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Sure they have LA has srated many times it was to help buy state of the art equipment and fund drug testing. Not that you or anyone else has to believe that, but that is the stated reason.
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Aug 6, 12 15:55
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"Hinault is just as dirty".
Yes, of course. I think at some point, the case loses legs before all of the rooting is done, though. I don't see much support ever happening for a full house cleaning no matter which way the LA case turns out.
Those who escape the hot eye of scrutiny will just point and say look at how we've finally cleared the trash...tossing their "peers" under the bus to blur any chance of getting snared along he way.
Maybe Lemond can take charge of pro cycling! ;-)
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johnniecakes
Aug 6, 12 17:47
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I just can't wait for all this to be over !!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug 6, 12 18:24
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TriBriGuy wrote:
"Hinault is just as dirty".
Maybe Lemond can take charge of pro cycling! ;-)
My son is a personal trainer. Recently we were at a fitness expo where he was looking for some new equipment for his gym/studio. One thing he wanted was exercycles (for lack of a better term) for warming up his clients. He saw the Lemond stand and walked over. I grabbed him and said that there was no way I'd let him send that whiney FK any money! so we moved on.
You do realize you woke the sleeping dog, and that now, Lemond will rear his ugly head again, and we'll all hear that he was the last clean rider in the world! I feel a headache coming on, where's a pill?
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fasterisbetter
Aug 6, 12 18:46
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styrrell wrote:
Sure they have LA has srated many times it was to help buy state of the art equipment and fund drug testing. Not that you or anyone else has to believe that, but that is the stated reason.
He purchased the same machine for the UCI that he had on his team's bus so that they would know exactly how the results would come out if they were dope tested...
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fasterisbetter wrote:
styrrell wrote:
Sure they have LA has srated many times it was to help buy state of the art equipment and fund drug testing. Not that you or anyone else has to believe that, but that is the stated reason.
He purchased the same machine for the UCI that he had on his team's bus so that they would know exactly how the results would come out if they were dope tested...
That is probably exactly how they got away with doping. Just replace team bus with a hotel room in a nearby town where the team doctor was holed up, away from scrutiny.
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