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First Season Trashed.. now what?
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In 2007 at some point in Special Forces Assessment and Selection (SFAS) I developed some left ankle issue that basically I just chalked up to a serious overuse injury between that and Ranger school I had logged a lot.... a lot of miles under a heavy rucksack. The pain went away as I lightened up my workouts afterward. It would come back during rough times in the Special Forces Qualification Course (SFQC).. but it was never something that was debilitating.

After a few years in Special Forces I decided to take my career a step further and wanted to try out for another unit. So at this selection I ended up tearing my miniscus and the pain was definitely back in full force (again I could still move with it so it took the knee injury to take me out of the game). I healed my knee and stayed in Special Forces until the present time where I am on my way out of the military.

I don't know how but I caught the Tri bug with a seriousness. This is odd as I was a heavy lifter, I was heavy into CrossFit etc... and have always HATED running. Nothing would fill the void for a challenge though until I found triathlon. I never wanted to "compete" in CrossFit as it has always just seemed like an odd "sport" to me. Tough Mudders and the rest of the "Challenge Runs" have never appealed to me either as I have always believed that if you wanted that type of a challenge.. mother earth provided plenty of it if you just went to the mountains and decided to do a route for a few days I'm sure that would give you a much better sense of accomplishment than a artifical (man made) obstacle course..but I digress.

So I am heavy as hell at the moment (220ish). I'm not fat by any means, I've just packed on a lot of muscle over the years. So getting back into running the ankle pain has returned. I finally got an MRI and apparently I have multiple torn tendons and ligaments. I haven't seen the orthopedic Doc yet but the last I heard from the pain management side... they were talking about a fusing type of surgery which did not sound like something I wanted at all. This is depressing as I have signed up for a ton of sprints and my A race being an Olympic in Columbus Georgia in August. I could press through it but I'm trying to get out of the who cares about the pain mentality as it has always come back to haunt me (and I don't want to eventually be immobile on the foot).

I've somewhat come to the conclusion to cancel the "season" and work solely on the bike and swimming. Maybe try to look for bike races in the Pensacola - Gulf Coast area, but put the work in on those aspects.. especially to grind away and drop weight to put me in a better position to pick up the running in the offseason and come back next season. Does this sound like a solid plan? Is anyone else from this area? Likewise do you know of any bike races or swim-bike duathlons?

This is mostly a venting post - So I apologize for that, but it's depressing.

Although I must say - since buying a Tri bike, getting on trainerroad, and training peaks.. I haven't really WANTED to do anything but be on the bike. With that.. and I've looked this up and have tried to understand the value system but what is a respectable FTP goal? My current FTP according to 8 minute tests is around 200 - 220. So I want to get down to around 180 pounds this season and obviously increase my bike and swim FTP. What is a respectable or very good number for an athlete in the 180lbs range? (FTP and FTP/Kg)

Also if what Im talking about seems incredibly off, please let me know.

Finally, I hate to say this due to the foreseen stoning.. but I have attended a CrossFit Endurance seminar. I'm not sold on the programming..aka I don't believe that barely SBR-ing and doing massive amounts of CrossFit will produce a goodTriathlete. I was however intrigued by learning to do and teach Pose running. I'd really like to hear people's opinion on the Pose subject.

I know this post is all over the place so forgive me for that... these things have just been swirling in my mind so I kind of wanted to just throw them out there to the ST community to fire back at. Thanks for everyones time.
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [trIInfected] [ In reply to ]
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To make this even more diverse... I think they look hideous.. they remind me of the sketcher rocker shoes.. which I loathe, but does anyone have experience with Hoka one-one's. Does anyone think these shoes may be a good idea for getting back into the running game later on? I've been feeding from the minimalist hose for quite awhile now.. but am questioning it now. Part of me believes that the continuous mid-foot/ Ball of foot: Heel Kiss technique has contributed to my injuries as the pain reflects in this movement. Anyway.. I hope to hear some opinions. Thanks again.
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [trIInfected] [ In reply to ]
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Give getting your feet fixed up your best effort. Maybe some surgery maybe some PT... Tri is for the long term, which requires you to be healthy.


If you can't fix them always biking and swimming!


There is a watts/kg chart somewhere. 4 seems a good target for a random age grouper.... But always room to grow.
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [TunaBoo] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the input! Sometimes you just need to hear what you already know for it to sink in.

In regards to your comment, "If you can't fix them always biking and swimming! ". Did you mean if it can't be fixed there is always biking and swimming? or Biking and swimming won't help fix it?

"Who cares if you're in pain...no one else does" - Ryan Lochte
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [trIInfected] [ In reply to ]
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I'm saying even if your ankle is FUBAR, I bet you can still swim and bike.
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [TunaBoo] [ In reply to ]
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Are Swim-Bike duathlons common? I am new to all of this but generally see (Google-Fu) that it's more of a Run-Bike-Run sport.
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [trIInfected] [ In reply to ]
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West Virginia is a great place to tear yourself up on a long walk.

Formerly TriBrad02
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [trIInfected] [ In reply to ]
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I had a Brostrom surgery for torn lateral ligaments in my ankle last year. PM me if you have any questions about it.

Absolutely see the ortho before you do anything else.
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [TriBrad02] [ In reply to ]
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Good guess as to where I jacked myself up :)
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [trIInfected] [ In reply to ]
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trIInfected wrote:
Are Swim-Bike duathlons common? I am new to all of this but generally see (Google-Fu) that it's more of a Run-Bike-Run sport.

Google aquabike
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Re: First Season Trashed.. now what? [trIInfected] [ In reply to ]
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My knee is trashed right now. Debating just rehabbing and hoping for the best or possible surgery to try to save the season.

Backup plan is Aqua bike. But I'm really struggling with not being a full participant and having very little competition (in numbers of racers). I'm typically FOP and don't want to give in. But may have to.
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I'd say don't give up, if you really want to do it go and consult as many Drs/physical therapist/etc as you need until one tells you that it is possible or maybe is not but you cannot be sure if you don't try everything within your possibilities probably losing weight could do the trick but now it will depend what is your priority big muscles or skinny triathlete, 4 years ago three different specialists told me my body was not good for running due to my knee cap something something, they even dared to ask me why I wanted to run or do triathlons if there were many other sports, probably that pushed me even more to find a way to do it and shut their mouths... now I am running 5 days straight a week with no issues, training very very hard with a coach and trying to find out how competitive I can be, I'd have spent all my years finding a way to be able to do a tri at least once in my life, fortunately it only took me 2 years of consulting "specialists"... so, don't you give up!
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I would definitely work on getting the ankle fixed before training hard on it and f'ing it up forever. But be prepared because it will probably take a long time time to fix. Swimming I bet is a great thing to do in the interim and it takes a long time for adults who were not on their highschool swim team to get good at, so maybe look at it as an opportunity to really work on what is most triathletes' weakness - maybe biking but I would talk to your doctor about it. Definintely see an orthopedic surgeon and get images and have a radiologist look at it, but talk to a physical therapist too. The ortho will always want to do surgery because that is what they do, but sometimes you may be able to heal it with PT. After talking with everyone, make your own decision. If it really is torn ligaments, surgery may be the only option.

As other people said, google aquabike. The races may not be as big and flashy as Ironman's, but really if you just look at is as trying to get yourself faster and faster, the challenge is just as great. As for what is a "good" FTP, people on this website will definitely skew that number to the high-side. Someone said 4W/kG is a good target, but reality is that would probably put you in the top 4% of triathletes. You have a ton of muscle and weight that is not helping you pedal your bike, so you will have a challenge getting to that number. Just be consistent with your training and you will see FTP continuously go up, and hopefully your weight continuously go down and I bet in not too long, you will be passing lots of people. This blog post includes a chart by Andrew Coggan (who posts on here frequently) that shows power-to-weight ratios at 5 seconds, 1 minute, 5 minutes and FT (Functional Threshold or 1 hour) for cyclists of different abilities from untrained to world class. Remember that most triathletes are pretty far down on this chart. Triathletes can't spend all their time on the bike because they have to run and swim a lot too! Guys like Kienle and Sanders who are world class in FTP AND running are not normal human beings!

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2009/07/just-how-good-are-these-guys/

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