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Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals
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Have done 3 rides w my powertap p1s

First ride they worked perfectly
Second ride they had some occasional drop outs and spikes
Third ride the spikes and drop outs become frequent

Usually the drop out comes first lasting for a few seconds then a few seconds of spike

Using garmin 510 edge and power 3s setting

Any ideas for how to fix?
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [andreasjs] [ In reply to ]
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I remember that the batteries that were included with my set did not last very long (1 or 2 short rides) and the pedals were acting the way you are currently describing. I would change them out for a higher quality battery and see if that solves your issues as it solved mine. Also make sure the pedals are up to date through PowerTap's app if you haven't already to see if that may be causing an issue.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [andreasjs] [ In reply to ]
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Use lithium batteries.

Do yours have the current battery caps? The original caps are a known cause for dropouts.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Not to hijack the original thread (said as he hijacks thread...), but how do you like the P1? I'd like something to quickly change between road and tri, and this seems to fit the bill more than the rest.

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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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They are awesome, I love them. My road bike is a 30 year old Pinarello, so nothing else would fit it. I swap the P1 between bikes in about 3 minutes.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Nice, thanks. I happily swapped my quarq several times between my road and CX bike last year, doesn't take much longer than five minutes with a torque wrench (assuming you don't have to clean after a muddy CX ride). But this year I'm contemplating three bikes sharing it (with the addition of tri) and three different ring combinations. Seems like too much.

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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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Too early to tell

Initial setup was easy and only heard good things the current problem concerns me a bit

I have 2 other power meters:

A powertap hub which I like the most. Unfortunately it's on a training wheel

Garmin vectors. Highly unstable and unreliable so that's why I got the p1
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [andreasjs] [ In reply to ]
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Definitely download the Powertap mobile app and make sure your firmware is up to date. That fixed the power spike problems for me. It's worth checking the battery caps as well. The originals were orange and *I think* the new ones are black.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Both the new and old caps are orange on the outside. The difference is that one is orange on the inside and the other is silver (natural aluminum color). I cannot remember which is new no which is old.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [andreasjs] [ In reply to ]
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Ugh. Sorry for your $1200 loss. These pedals are the worst.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [andreasjs] [ In reply to ]
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I never had a problem with my P1's until my last race of the year in Cartagena. Synced up in the morning with my Garmin, hopped on the bike out of T1 and no signal from the power meter. Tried to sync it back up and nothing. My Garmin could not find the sensor for the P1's. Pulled over at around mile 2 of the bike to see what I could do. Green lights on the pedals so they're powered on. Manually inputted the ANT+ ID to see if that would help. Nope. It just wasn't giving off a signal for my Garmin. Wasted enough race time (probably 2-3 minutes) dealing with it so just rode by RPE. Tried syncing it on the fly a couple of other times during the race and nothing.

New batteries, Garmin not set to power off, time out, or auto pause or anything like that. Worked fine the dozens of times used before. Worked fine the day before the race. Synced up just fine the morning of the race while setting up transition.

I haven't rode the bike since I returned so I don't know if it was just a one time issue or if I have an issue that PowerTap needs to fix and address. So I will withhold judgment for now. I was not a happy customer on December 4th.

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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Ugh. Sorry for your $1200 loss. These pedals are the worst.

No problems whatsoever with the P1 pedals I have - I bought them pretty soon after first release. They seem reliable, power figures seem to compare well with my other power meters (which are Powertap hubs), they are very easy to switch between bikes and they seem robust.

Robert
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [GrumpyBob] [ In reply to ]
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GrumpyBob wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Ugh. Sorry for your $1200 loss. These pedals are the worst.


No problems whatsoever with the P1 pedals I have - I bought them pretty soon after first release. They seem reliable, power figures seem to compare well with my other power meters (which are Powertap hubs), they are very easy to switch between bikes and they seem robust.

Robert

This has been my experience as well. They work as they should. I did have to get new battery caps and use only lithium ion batteries, but I am heading into my second season with them and they seem to be just fine.

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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Ugh. Sorry for your $1200 loss. These pedals are the worst.

I will use them for my new p5x and that bike is so super fast that it mentally makes up for any problem I might have with the power meter
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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I ordered a new set of caps and they were still orange but had a v2 on them. Us Canadians might get different stuff though.

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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [rsmoylan] [ In reply to ]
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Mine worked flawlessly for 9 months then the right one started going crazy and finally wouldn't read anything. I got the new caps and started working again. The new caps are bigger, looks like the metal is not as soft and they are all orange, not half orange/silver


rsmoylan wrote:
GrumpyBob wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Ugh. Sorry for your $1200 loss. These pedals are the worst.


No problems whatsoever with the P1 pedals I have - I bought them pretty soon after first release. They seem reliable, power figures seem to compare well with my other power meters (which are Powertap hubs), they are very easy to switch between bikes and they seem robust.

Robert


This has been my experience as well. They work as they should. I did have to get new battery caps and use only lithium ion batteries, but I am heading into my second season with them and they seem to be just fine.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [Jonny89] [ In reply to ]
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No, didnt try new batteries yet.

I also suspect it could be the garmin so will try tonight or over the weekend with another device.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [andreasjs] [ In reply to ]
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I'm with the same problems, bought mine during black friday sales. Using mine with 920xt and also 3s setting...

I already bought some AAA lithium batteries to test, I'll report back as soon as they arrive.

Did you solve it?


andreasjs wrote:
No, didnt try new batteries yet.

I also suspect it could be the garmin so will try tonight or over the weekend with another device.

Good luck, if the batteries work i'll let u know!
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [Jonny89] [ In reply to ]
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Jonny89 wrote:

Good luck, if the batteries work i'll let u know!

Please do!

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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [rsmoylan] [ In reply to ]
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For those that have had them a while now.....any concerns about longevity? I always thought of pedals as a somewhat disposable item (maybe because I ride speedplays.....). Do they develop any kind of play/rocking that cannot be corrected with new cleats? Concerns about the contact points and/or bearings going?
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [andreasjs] [ In reply to ]
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Initially I had problems with power spikes - but this was solved 9 months ago with a software upgrade from PowerTap.

Also be aware that PowerTap strongly insist you use lithium batteries. Not sure why, but whenever I have had minor issues this is the first thing they ask. Since I started to use lithium batteries have really had zero issues.

I switch between 4 different bikes constantly - so the P1's are by far the easiest way to have one powermeter that works for every bike.

Finally, DC Rainmaker highly recommends P1 pedals and describes them as his "go to powermeter". He is the guru on all things tech for triathlon, he has heavily tested every powermeter, so if P1's are good enough for him, then definitely good enough for me.
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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I changed batteries and it helped even though they are not litium
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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [Chri G] [ In reply to ]
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Chri G wrote:
Initially I had problems with power spikes - but this was solved 9 months ago with a software upgrade from PowerTap.

Also be aware that PowerTap strongly insist you use lithium batteries. Not sure why, but whenever I have had minor issues this is the first thing they ask. Since I started to use lithium batteries have really had zero issues.

I switch between 4 different bikes constantly - so the P1's are by far the easiest way to have one powermeter that works for every bike.

Finally, DC Rainmaker highly recommends P1 pedals and describes them as his "go to powermeter". He is the guru on all things tech for triathlon, he has heavily tested every powermeter, so if P1's are good enough for him, then definitely good enough for me.

I like Ray and I think he does fine work. I also understand that his audience is much bigger than triathlon, and certainly much bigger than the ST geeks so NO he doesn't need to write about it, but I feel it is important to mention anytime you have a discussion regarding pedals, that there is also a discussion about stack height. This reminds of me last week when I stopped over at GreenPlease's house and we a discussion on the P1 pedals, but the end result is I would like to see someone independently measure the stack height on the P1s as I don't necessarily believe it is only 14mm. For me and my own goals, anything that adds stack is a huge "no-no" and that will make me slower.


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Re: Drop outs and spikes on p1 pedals [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas wrote:
For me and my own goals, anything that adds stack is a huge "no-no" and that will make me slower.

I'd love to know why. I understand why you wouldn't want to add stack for fit reasons, is that what you mean by making you slower?

Wouldn't this be a non issue if, for example, you exclusively rode these pedals on road and tri bikes, and just swapped before every ride? In that case I would this a proper fit adjustment (once) would solve any issues.

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