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h2ofun
Sep 2, 15 14:37
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http://www.cervelo.com/...s/eurobike-news.html
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h2ofun
Sep 2, 15 14:41
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May not be TT, but if not, it continues to build momentum.
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Tom A.
Sep 2, 15 15:26
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h2ofun wrote:
http://www.cervelo.com/en/experience/stories/eurobike-news.html

Your thread title is a straw man.
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North_Star
Sep 2, 15 15:34
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h2ofun wrote:
http://www.cervelo.com/en/experience/stories/eurobike-news.html


Hey ol' boy, those are road bikes. Pull you head out of your...

No one said it wouldn't happen. Stop trying to be a contrarian. Why do you work so hard to try and be different? You just end up being a joke instead.
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Sep 2, 15 15:42
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Re: Disc brakes for Cerverlo, and folks said it would not happen [gabbiev] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun
Sep 2, 15 15:52
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gabbiev wrote:
Even Cervelo isn't immune to market pressure.

Or market desires
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Sep 2, 15 16:00
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jkhayc
Sep 2, 15 16:07
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h2ofun wrote:
gabbiev wrote:
Even Cervelo isn't immune to market pressure.


Or market desires

Don't kid yourself.
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HuffNPuff
Sep 2, 15 16:09
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The community said that disc brakes on a tri bike is a solution looking for a problem. It might happen, but it hasn't happened yet. Your title is misleading.
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h2ofun
Sep 2, 15 16:26
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HuffNPuff wrote:
The community said that disc brakes on a tri bike is a solution looking for a problem. It might happen, but it hasn't happened yet. Your title is misleading.

Why, it technically is correct.

Guess you missed my second post saying nothing says they are doing a TT bike though.

If it is only a road bike, once all the stuff is in place, going to a TT would be very easy it would seem.
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Tom A.
Sep 2, 15 16:34
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h2ofun wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
The community said that disc brakes on a tri bike is a solution looking for a problem. It might happen, but it hasn't happened yet. Your title is misleading.


Why, it technically is correct.

Guess you missed my second post saying nothing says they are doing a TT bike though.

If it is only a road bike, once all the stuff is in place, going to a TT would be very easy it would seem.

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nonobovey
Sep 2, 15 16:40
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Fried butter comes to mind
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North_Star
Sep 2, 15 17:01
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h2ofun wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
The community said that disc brakes on a tri bike is a solution looking for a problem. It might happen, but it hasn't happened yet. Your title is misleading.


Why, it technically is correct.

Guess you missed my second post saying nothing says they are doing a TT bike though.

If it is only a road bike, once all the stuff is in place, going to a TT would be very easy it would seem.


Your title isn't even close to correct in any sense. No 'folks' said it wouldn't happen. That is just your made up bullshit to try and set everyone against you. That way you can play the victim, the underdog or the guy out blazing his own trail.
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DarkSpeedWorks
Sep 2, 15 17:11
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If I *were* to consider a disc road bike, I'd take one of Canyon's early prototypes that had dual discs (with very small rotors) on the front end; there was a hydraulic splitter that accommodated front calipers located on either side of the fork.

That sounds kinda cool. Got a pic of this interesting machine?
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Tom A.
Sep 2, 15 17:15
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Nonojohn wrote:
Fried butter comes to mind

Or, the "Krispy Kreme Choc. Bacon Cheeseburger"...


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BryanD
Sep 2, 15 17:24
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The Krispy Kreme cheeseburger is so good!
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Sep 2, 15 17:26
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DarkSpeedWorks
Sep 2, 15 17:30
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Kinda cool. But odd that the calipers are on opposite sides of the fork. That has gotta be wonky.


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shadwell
Sep 2, 15 17:40
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Wonky, or balanced from a brake reaction force standpoint?......
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DarkSpeedWorks
Sep 2, 15 17:46
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Haven't done an analysis of the forces on the set up above, but aren't most successful motorcycle set ups done with the calipers both on the aft side of the fork blades?
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shadwell
Sep 2, 15 17:50
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Yes and they have fully captive axles.... which this generation of QR hub / fork obviously does not.

The Canyon drop out direction is the classic vertical alignment, which some had issues with the single rear mount caliper driving the axle in a downward path.
I wonder if this was done to reduce this....
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Tom A.
Sep 2, 15 17:56
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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
gabbiev wrote:
If I *were* to consider a disc road bike, I'd take one of Canyon's early prototypes that had dual discs (with very small rotors) on the front end; there was a hydraulic splitter that accommodated front calipers located on either side of the fork.


That sounds kinda cool. Got a pic of this interesting machine?


A couple pics in here: http://www.bikeradar.com/...eurobike-2015-45145/ (edit: Oops...slow on the draw)

BTW, Bill McCready of Santana Tandems fit a dual front disc to one of his tandems MANY years ago...and guess what? He still says the best front brake for a tandem is a V-brake :-/
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stephenj
Sep 2, 15 17:59
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shadwell wrote:
Yes and they have fully captive axles.... which this generation of QR hub / fork obviously does not.

The Canyon drop out direction is the classic vertical alignment, which some had issues with the single rear mount caliper driving the axle in a downward path.
I wonder if this was done to reduce this....

The force vector on the fork when one applies the brakes points forward for both of them and therefore acts as a regenerative brake, eliminating the wasteful loss of momentum and allowing the bicycle to continue forward reducing energy losses.... Ingenious!
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DarkSpeedWorks
Sep 2, 15 18:05
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shadwell wrote:
Yes and they have fully captive axles.... which this generation of QR hub / fork obviously does not.

The Canyon drop out direction is the classic vertical alignment, which some had issues with the single rear mount caliper driving the axle in a downward path.
I wonder if this was done to reduce this....

You might be right. But looking at it, then why didn't they put both calipers on the top of the blades?
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coredump
Sep 2, 15 18:08
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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
Kinda cool. But odd that the calipers are on opposite sides of the fork. That has gotta be wonky.


More likely that it's a concept using off the shelf calipers, which are only machined for single sided installations. Lots of tooling to spin up to make a mirror image copy of the caliper for the other side just for a one-off design idea.
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