whoosh.

I hope he gets every bit of what he deserves.

A majority of cars I see on the highway speed sometimes. Almost every pedestrian I know jaywalks sometimes.

So can we just point out that everytime a pedestrian gets hit by a car that they really aren't doing themselves any favors by jaywalking at other times. And maybe since so may drives seem to speed really they shouldn't complain so much when they have an accident, even if it's not their "fault." Really they're not doing themselves any favors by breaking the law so much.

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Regarding the part you wrote (bolded by me): the problem is, both you and I know that never happens to the psychopaths behind the wheel. They nearly always get off with little more than a slap on the wrist. While the guys or gals on bikes end up paralyzed for life, or on a long forced sleep six feet under ...

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Turn the camera down to 720p resolution and you should be able to get 60fps, at least thats what mine can do. 720p should be sufficient in terms of resolution to capture a license number I would think.

So deliberately driving into a group of cyclists with your motor vehicle, having harassed them beforehand, and then driving away = anger management class? Maybe on planet road rage, but for the rest of us, not so much. Try to remember that you only own the vehicle you drive, not the road.

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Thats awesome, good to hear you dealt with the problem properly!

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Sweet. I just noticed that. Much smoother. Thanks.

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Terrible. Hope this gets a lot of press

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You were not present. You have no personal knowledge that the driver was at fault. That is the problem. We only have a story told by one side.

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Just for general information. I was hit by and left by the side of the road by a motorist. For a long time I wanted him punished. But I got over it.

If we find out that one of the cyclists was packing heat and they pulled out their gun and pointed it at the driver (hey, this is America), then it's going to put a different light on this incident.

But I've got to think the more likely scenario is that the driver was a jerk and he deserves to be punished.

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There can be no justification for running over cyclists except self defense. Areyou saying that was a possibility here? This automobile driver's life was threatened by a wild pack of pro cyclists?

You're playing devil's advocate to an untenable level.

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Commonly referred to as trolling...

You are the same poster that tried to argue that the driver in Colorado that was honking his horn for minutes wasn't wrong and the cyclists were in the wrong despite reading the actual law that I posted proving you wrong. You have zero credibility on this board. Please do the board a favor and go away.

I just read the thread you referenced. This guy has an uncanny knack for being wrong on simple issues, and he's a master at attempting and failing at doublespeak to avoid fessing up to his ignorance. I didn't know he had priors. I'm going to ignore going forward. An anti-bike guy on a tri website, who rides 1/2 mile a day...less than I walk my dog. Not worth it.

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I don't understand why he doesn't just admit that he is wrong. He is wrong on this thread just like he was wrong on the earlier thread, but he keep trying to argue his point. I don't understand people like him. Old Dude grow up and admit that you are wrong.

You're lucky you didn't loose control and hit the back of the truck. The driver must have had a screw lose.

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In pretty much every civilized jurisdiction, private citizens aren't allowed to use force against one another unless there is an immanent threat. As Alvin said, unless one of the cyclists was aiming a gun at the driver of the truck I can't really think of any scenario where a cyclist would be able to pose a meaningful threat that would justify actively forcing them off the road. Even at full downhill speed, a 150-200lbs bike+rider isn't going to be able to produce enough force to take a 1.5-2 tonne truck off its line. If you can propose a situation where that was the case, I'd certainly be interested to hear it.


Even if something did happen up the road, that is patently irrelevant to the situation here. If I was driving my car and another car cut me off, then a mile down the road I pulled ahead and forced him into a ditch the former incident wouldn't have any bearing on my case. The law doesn't allow for vengeance, so whether someone did something to make me 'angry' doesn't really come into play. The moment their actions ceased to threaten my life, I lost any right to take direct action against them. You can swear at them and give them the finger if you'd like, and if they've broken the law you can call the police, but private individuals don't have the right to dole out punishment. The type of people who get violent just because someone made them angry are exactly the type that should be segregated from society - not to punish them, but to prevent them from killing the next person that peeves them off.

Naturally, figuring out what sets people off is important to consider in avoiding scenarios like this in the future, but it has nothing to do with dealing with this particular case. Doing things that are discourteous creates a bad image for cyclists and it makes it harder for all of us, but it is never a justification for violent reactions. It goes the other way as well - if some car cuts you off, you don't have the right to take a U-Lock to their rear windscreen when you catch up to them at a traffic light.

HI McDonough did time in the Maricopa County facility. Twice. He was a repeat Oh fender.

God smites a kitten every time an ignoramous confesses to his/her ignorance. You don't want kittens to die, do you?

That depends. Perhaps the kittens did something really bad to make god angry.

Do you have children? If they were out riding their bikes and some guy drove up, yelled profanities at them and then hit one of them with his car, do you think a 10 year sentence would be too much?

What do you think are the odds this guy has never done anything like this before? Sounds like a complete lunatic. We are lucky he was apprehended before he could do serious harm.

Five to ten years sounds pretty fair to me. It is only perhaps luck that somebody was not seriously injured.

You know what? Good idea on their part! I honestly am more likely to go to Tucson now, knowing that the entire town government supports safety.

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Your speed matters a lot, sometimes you need to be very fast, where sometimes you need to breakdown your speed.

Sorry if your taking a hammering here OG.

I believe it fair to argue that we do have multiple sides to the story. Presumably the driver said his piece to the Tuscon Police, yet they still considered the evidence enough to proceed with charges.