I'm sure a lot of the general pool of non elite and maybe some of the elite athletes may benefit from this because they already have such a good endurance base and such little strenght training that it would be benefical in many of the ways pointed out. If however you have not developed your endurance and cardiovascular system this is not where you want to start. This type of workout takes a tremendous amount of energy and has the potential to wipe you out intially and, in my opinion, would require a great cut in other activities for a short period and then a short abreviated version of the training that would allow you to maintain the benefits but allow you to resume your traditional training.

Whoa...were you the 1st or the 2nd Tank?

I was going to ask the same thing. Many fond memories of Gladiators.

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I can't believe we're even giving this clown this much lip-service. "Cross-fit"?? That sounds like a late-night infomercial that comes on after BowFlex...Ok, now I'm deleting this post.

A quick search would indicate that E_moto is claiming to be the first Tank, Ed Radcliffe. Another quick search shows said guy has done some half ironman races. He needs to work on his run, however...

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I had to walk most of the run due to a minor tear in my (r) soleus. This year I might be a little quicker.

And really........would somebody "claim" to be on AG if they werent? I dont think anyone out there would volunteer that they put on multicolored spandex and ran around in front of a bunch of spectators and..................oh wait; nevermind. ;-)



any resemblance?

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Very cool...

You said "hiatus from the Marine Corps"...are you still on hiatus?

Just curious...I'm USMC(ret)

No longer on hiatus,
down here in San Diego keeping busy.

Semper'

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An attempt to show results? I'll be looking forward to this.

http://100milemovie.com/theproduction/

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I am sure they will finish. Both have enough of a base that they should be ok. The question is if they are going to do an other 100 miler in the future to compare times and see if they are able to sustain a faster pace.

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One of the athletes Carl Borg completed the 2008 Angeles Crest 100 in 29:31.19 which gives a base line for him. He will have had 1 year to improve his fitness with CFE so we should see an improvement.

As a point of interest, here is a quote from LtCol Dan Wilson USMC:

“Coach, I'm a believer now in CrossFit! Even after 26 years in the Corps, I'm still looking for ways to improve myself physically and mentally, and figured it couldn't hurt to give CrossFit a whirl. Since 5 September I have only done the WODs on your website - exactly 9 weeks ago today. As you know in the Marines, we run our physical fitness test (PFT) semi-annually, and it consists of pull-ups, crunches, and the 3 mile run. I was a bit apprehensive this morning stepping up to the pull-up bar, but my butterflies vanished when I quickly cranked out 21 dead-hang pull-ups for a score of 100 points. The crunches were easy and I completed the maximum 100 in 65 seconds with almost a minute to spare in the time limit. I completed the run in 20:25 for a total PFT score of 285 out of 300 points, and 8 points higher than my last PFT when I did targeted training for all the events. I feel great for a guy who turns 47 this month! You've convinced me, Coach, and there are a few other things I really love about CrossFit; the intensity of workouts, the incredible variety of workouts that keep my muscles guessing and sore - hence strengthening and building endurance, and the camaraderie that is developed with the Marines I complete the workouts with. CrossFit is perfect for maintaining the level of fitness that our Warriors need to be successful in combat. I haven't even met you, Coach, but it's like I've known you all of my life! Thanks for the great program you developed, and stop by anytime to see how America's Marine Infantrymen are trained! Semper Fi,”
Lt. Col. Daniel Wilson, CO SOI

OBTW, "Coach" is Greg Glassman the founder of CrossFit.

Also, here is the link to register for the CrossFit Games SoCal qualifier this weekend http://www.socacrossfitgamesqualifier.com

It's in southern Orange County....a stone's throw from North County San Diego.

The events won't be announced until tomorrow (15 April). That way nobody can prepare by training for a specific event...the unknown and the unknowable.

Great chance to put your money were your mouth is and leave some "Smoking Craters"...just sayin'.

Maybe we'll see you there...if you have the guts.

V/R
Mike Marriott
LtCol, USMC Retired

Sometimes, a thread turns into a dickswinging contest, and it isn't fun any more...

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I agree.

As I said in my one previous comment on the thread, I think, like many, that CF and even CFE workouts are a great way to achieve an overall level of fitness. However, the challenge that's been thrown down two threads above is ridiculous. From the original article, the reader is supposed to believe that CFE can make you a better triathlete. The majority of triathletes on this forum, and I believe every ST member here that has chimed in, does not believe that training for triathlon will make you a CF stud.
How would a group of triathletes going to a CF contest prove a point? I apologize if I missed something, but that's how I am reading the "challenge".

I am going to scratch my kettle balls, and go to bed so I can swim, bike, and run tomorrow. Geesh.

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Turns out he walked the last 25mi of the race due to a blister and shoe problems (it's on the video on the main site of that page)...dude (Carl Borg) looks like a fit athlete, I'm sure he'll do fine. I bet he has a pretty solid running background, he does not look like he has a power lifting background or has any extra weight on his body that will slow him down. Like I said, this will be interesting.

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My post above #238, was in reply to E_moto's, post #157 on this thread which is quoted here:

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"If a 43 year old retired Marine engaging in Triathlon type training, can trounce an active duty 20-something "soldier" who uses CF/CFE (Im going to assume you meant Marine but dont understand the difference), on a PFT, then I suspect its about as useful to the Military as Pilates.

I also suspect that most of you Pro CF people are assuming that everyone on this has or does only engage in TRI or endurance based activities, that we all weight about 145 to 165lbs, and only know our way thru a gym because they have treadmills in the there. ;-)

You MIGHT find that there are individuals here you can readily walk into a gym, knock out deadlifts, squats, dumbell bench presses, etc with bodyweight for 100reps. and then go for a few hours worth of cardio. And most importantly, we can do it again TOMORROW, and the day after that. A CFE practioner would bonk so hard they'd leave a smoking crater............"

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In my post #238, LtCol Dan Wilson's testimonial is in resonse to the first paragraph of E_moto's post.

OBTW, there no Pro CFers....only dedicated amateur athletes.

The invitation to the SoCal CrossFit Games qualifier is response to the 3rd paragraph of E_moto's post. It would give him the opportunity to strut his stuff.

But wait there's more...CF is agnostic to methods/protocols...we are basically fitness whores always seeking a better way to increase work capacity across broad time and modal domains. If E_moto's fitness protocol proves superior as proven through his performance, should he choose to participate, then it is a win/win for everyone.

V/R
Mike Marriott
LtCol USMC Retired

Wow. 10 pages. This thread knows no end.

I am heading out for a 3 hour bike ride - some hard some easy. I don't know who's training protocol it lines up behind, but it's a sunny beautiful day here and I would like to just get out and ride!!

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Max 100 points in the pullups, max 100 points in the crunches, and not max points in the only endurance aspect of the PFT. Who would have guessed?

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I would ;-)

Hey, I can do the pull ups too! Endurance training helps a lot for these. See...I don't get any stronger, but...since I weigh at 140lbs, I have plenty enough for my weight (I guess, AFTER my shoulder heals though).

More seriously, there are ideas at CFE that are interesting. I don't think we should dismiss the concept because of the way the message is conveyed by Brian McKenzie.

Damn your sunny weather, the east coast has been getting hit with what I would call the black lung of weather. Dreary, drudgy, overcast and sprinkling rain. I feel like I'm in Oregon without the awesome mountains....ugh. Another wet ride today.

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"But wait there's more...CF is agnostic to methods/protocols...we are basically fitness whores always seeking a better way to increase work capacity across broad time and modal domains."


That's a long-winded way of stating that CF is specificity-averse. As others have noted, CFE probably has some merit for general preparation periods in an athlete's overall schedule. But according to the statement above, as soon as someone tries to inject specificity into a training schedule to prepare for a target event, the CF model is broke and we're talking about what is the best way to prepare for a triathlon/duathlon. In fact, taking the above statement at its most strict reading, you cannot get to CFE from CF. Once you start specifically targeting endurance, you have broken the CF model, if your statement is correct.

No one disputes that CFE will help a person improve their overall fitness. The dispute comes from the fact that people dispute the belief that CFE will maximize performance on distance events. From the original article.

Do any CFE supporters honestly think you can win Kona with out being a "specialized" triathlete?

Do you honestly believe you will achieve your full potential in any endurance event by improving your overall fitness? Or do you think you will achieve it by "specializing" for the event?

I think you missed a good occasion to add 'pun intended' here ;-)

    

Name one person who can do this, and I'll be surprised.

Edit; Besides yourself. Please don't crush me :)

As you can see from the positive comments about CFE here, the ironic thing about this exercise program and debate is that the program will most likely be adopted in triathlon training programs, and by triathletes, just like triathlon absorbs every new training and technique fad, much like Total Immersion, Natural Running, Pose Method, Chi Running, Core Strength Training, and now Yoga. Yoga is hot right now. But so is core strength. And it seems like every year, its something else.

In five years, it may be Karate or Judo, helps triathlon endurance or performance, or, and here's my guess, the next one is going to be Zen meditation increases performance.