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Critique my stroke!
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Im swimming a 1:35/100m pace for my HIM split.

Never really had a formal lesson. Learned to swim when I was 5 and never swam again. Picked up 2 years ago and used swim smooth and YouTube to learn.

Now swim with a masters group and I absolutely suck there. Coach doesnt critique my stoke. Please critique!


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Re: Critique my stroke! [CaptainSnail] [ In reply to ]
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IMO, there is not enough there to judge. Well, your hands are too spread but your head position is pretty good.
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Re: Critique my stroke! [CaptainSnail] [ In reply to ]
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You have very little width in the front/ middle of your stroke.
Your catch sucks and you basically push straight back dragging a bunch of air with open hands.
Your roll timing is also all over the place, due in large part I would guess to your lack of outsweep and insweep at the front.
You also have a large amount of vertical body movement due to your largely drag dominated swimming style and poor force vectors.
You would easily swim 1:20 at your current fitness if you knew how to swim.
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Re: Critique my stroke! [lyrrad] [ In reply to ]
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Very encouraging to know I "could" swim 1:20!

How should I improve my catch?

Do you have any videos on YouTube / literature that can possible describe what is width, out-sweep, in-sweep?

Thanks!
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Re: Critique my stroke! [CaptainSnail] [ In reply to ]
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1:35/100m--that's not that sucky but a few problems definitely stick out. I respectfully disagree that you have 1:20 speed right now. But a little work will find you 1-5s/100. A few months of practice will bring you down another 3-5s/. These are real big gains at this level but come at a price.

You are (over)gliding too much. There's a distinct pause between strokes you should work to eliminate, and not be quite so violent in the initiation. You can do that by increasing your turnover (start pulling sooner) and slowing down your pull a touch to keep hold of the water while your other arm recovers and starts to pull (less slowing down).
Why are your fingers so splayed apart? They should be more or less together and flat. Think paddling a canoe, not raking leaves.
Your right hand is crossing over a little (in front of your head). Your Left looks ok. I'm guessing it's breathing imbalance combined with overreaching.
Your catch doesn't look that bad from the front, but view from the side/top might be informative. Your legs don't look like they're dragging, but would need to see other angles too.
I'm no qualified swim instructor, so take all this with a grain of salt. -J

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Re: Critique my stroke! [karlaj] [ In reply to ]
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Habit regarding my fingers :/

Thanks for your comments!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GGdzSc-s68

Slight different angle and my race pace. Please critique!
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Re: Critique my stroke! [karlaj] [ In reply to ]
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I'd second the overgliding observation.

They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

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Re: Critique my stroke! [CaptainSnail] [ In reply to ]
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Ok crossover not too bad. But you're not rotating enough. You're pulling shoulders back a lot to compensate and get your hands clear of the surface, throwing your body out of alignment, causing you to snake a bit. This will take some time to fix so play with it and go slowly to maintain balance.

Working on kicking will help too. Long term project.

Don't want to sound too negative though. These are points to address not like complete overhauls. And again, just an opinion -J

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Re: Critique my stroke! [karlaj] [ In reply to ]
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karlaj wrote:
1:35/100m--that's not that sucky but a few problems definitely stick out. I respectfully disagree that you have 1:20 speed right now. But a little work will find you 1-5s/100. A few months of practice will bring you down another 3-5s/. These are real big gains at this level but come a price.

I stand by my comments.
I've taken plenty of 1:35 swimmers down to 1:20 with a few weeks of guidance.
Especially easy when you have a stroke like the original posters.
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Re: Critique my stroke! [lyrrad] [ In reply to ]
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Great--let's get him there!
Second video is up, curious what you see.

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Re: Critique my stroke! [karlaj] [ In reply to ]
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I see that he needs a new camera.
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Re: Critique my stroke! [CaptainSnail] [ In reply to ]
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my opinion.... the only really important angle for good teaching moment stroke analysis is underwater and from the side. Following you if possible.

This is unfortunately not very usefull and i would not trust any advice given with that angle.. i m seeing a lot of bad advise in this thread

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Last edited by: jonnyo: Oct 19, 17 11:11
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Re: Critique my stroke! [CaptainSnail] [ In reply to ]
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How are you mounting the camera (Go Pro?)--can you use the same set up from the side like jonnyo suggests & re-post more video from that angle? (Looks like a bit long of a pause before the catch to start with.) Congrats on the progress you've made & commitment to becoming better by even posting here--a step of determination.
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