Correct.

VeloTron can change power within 100 milliseconds and it's not even the fastest out there.

Can't imagine waiting 10-30 seconds for a power change and some folks saying this is okay?

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Ditto. That would eliminate tabata intervals or even the short 10-second 'pop' every 3-minutes in an 'hour of power' style interval workout. Very confusing considering the Tacx Bushido and new Bushido SMART will can effect such changes to motorbrake resistance typically in ~1-2 seconds.

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I can confirm that the VeloTron can easily be programmed for interval workouts with short, rapidly-changing resistance such as Tabata intervals and do them well.

What is the prize difference between Velotron and Kickr? And has the Velotron also Ant+ wireless communication?

You assume one cannot find things used. :)

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For less than a $1000?



Joel

So, seems like the price of a kickr with the PM stuff is close to 2K.

If you knew how much I paid for the velotrons, you would be sick. :)

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No the price of a kickr with a crank based power meter is only about $1500 because the kickr can be gotten for just under a $1000 new and a crank based power meter is probably somewhere about $500-$700 new. Going used drops the price a lot for both. And I already had a powermeter so my price was only $1000 new.


Joel

Nice if you live in the US but in Europe no chance to get Velotron at all.

Plus is pretty difficult to ride a velotron during a race I hear...

The Velotron can't be used with third party software either... as far as I know.

Does work with ErgVideo's.

IMO, folks spend way too much time worrying about things like 3rd party stuff, rather than just riding. I can do anything I need
with the old original Velotron sw. I can make any course I want to use with it like I did with the IMLT course.

When I first got a Computrainer, I was all into the riding on line, etc stuff. But at the end of the day, I just spin 3 days a week at a fixed wattage,
and the other 3 days do an interval set. Nothing fancy, just do the work.

But I fully understand these things new are expensive, which is why I could never buy a new one. And finding used for a decent price is not easy.

It would just drive me nuts if I bought something, no matter what the cost, and I was spending more time messing around with it to get it to work,
than riding.

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Is this still an automatic/seamless process in the newest firmware (1.3.32)? I'd like to disable the setting in the Wahoo app so I can get Zwift working correctly, but want to make sure it's being managed in TR.

Yes, our control or offset works with their new firmware.

I think that's what you're asking, if I missed it please let me know.

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Sorry, I wasn't very clear.

What I'd like to do is turn off the the option to link the Kickr and PM in the Wahoo app and instead rely on TR to control the Kickr using data from the PM. My question is, does TR still do this seamlessly if both the Kickr and PM are paired, or do I need to do adjust a setting in TR?

Can you share your zwift problem? I rode zwift with the PM plugged in the wahoo app and by the end of the 2nd lap my power numbers where way low on the Kickr. I shut off the PM info in wahoo during the ride and everything seemed to work great after that. Just curious if you are seeing the same thing. I just turn on the PM stuff in the wahoo app when I want to do ERG mode. Otherwise I will leave it off. Over about a dozen zwift rides my Kickr ranges from 5-10 avg watts higher then my stages PM. That is an acceptable margin for me.

Ah! I got it. There's a setting under profile in the desktop app in the beta. You'll need to make sure that's on for it to work.

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Yeah, I'm seeing the same behavior in Zwift. Having the Kickr and PM paired in the Wahoo app seems to cause the reported power to be WAY low in Zwift. I don't really have an explanation for why this is happening, but at this point, I think the best option would be to allow TR to control the Kickr through the power reported by the PM instead of the wahoo app doing it at the firmware level. Supposedly Zwift is planning to implement a similar functionality down the road, but for now I think I can live with the Kickr overstating my power *a bit* in Zwift

I am expecting this is a Kickr bug. I don't believe they have perfected the offsetting/syncing up the power while in Sim mode. Knowing you are seeing similar problems I'm going to submit a ticket with Wahoo.

UPDATE - Ticket submitted with Wahoo. I will post their response when I get it.

This would be the "Use power from electronic trainer" option, correct?

So, checked = Kickr power reported/recorded, non checked = paired power meter controls kickr?

Awesome, keep us posted!

This is my experience - Unchecked my Garmin reading from PM pretty much exactly matches the number recorded from TR and the Power number avg. for intervals seem to be with 1-2 watts of the target power except short hard segments (30 seconds or less at v02max and up).