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Minneapolis, MN -- Greg Lemond today released a statement that said he has, reluctantly and with great sadness, been forced to add the 2006 Tour de France to the long list of tours that he should have won. Lemond initially believed, and was even quoted in an earlier interview as saying, that this was the first clean Tour de France in many years. However, in light of the recent positive doping test of tour winner Floyd Landis, Lemond has concluded that, in all likelihood, he himself should have won the tour this year.

This brings the total number of Tours de France That Lemond Should Have Won (TDFTLSHW) to 167. Lemond first won the tour in 1986. However, as he has explained many times over the years since, he should have won the Tour in 1985, but was lied to by Bernard Hinault and cheated out of the race victory. Lemond next should have won the Tour in 1987 and 1988, but was incapacitated by a shotgun blast from his brother-in-law. While the incident was ruled an accident by the police, Lemond believes that his brother-in-law was working with Hinault and a young Texan by the name of Lance Armstrong to remove him from the sport.

Lemond came back to win the Tour in 1989 and 1990, but lost in 1991 due to the fact that, as incredible as it may sound, every other rider in the Tour de France besides Lemond was taking performance enhancing drugs. Lemond believes these drugs were supplied by Bernard Hinault, who realized that if nothing were done, Lemond would continue to win the Tour for the next 50 years. The drug-tainted Tour would continue through 2005, including the reign of Lance Armstrong. In the absence of doping, Lemond clearly would have won the Tour from 1991 to 2005, bringing the total number of TDFTLSHW to 21.

Going back before 1985, Lemond believes that in all likelihood, he would have won the Tour de France each year since his birth in 1961 if a) he had known about it and b) he had not had the small stature and limited leg length common to children between the ages of 0 and 10. As Lemond explains, clearly it would be unfair to him to discount the Tour wins he should have achieved were he only able to reach the pedals of his bicycle. This brings the TDFTLSHW to 45.

While Lemond concedes that some may believe him to be "stretching it" by including in his TDFTLSHW years from Tours before his birth, he claims that if one is to think about it logically, the only possible conclusion is that the greatest bike rider in the history of the Tour would absolutely have won the Tour since its inception in 1903, if only he had been alive at that time. It was not Greg Lemond's fault that his parents were not alive and able to conceive him in time to ride the initial Tour in 1903; thus, it would be unfair to strip him of the Tour wins that he rightly should have been awarded.

Note that there have been 11 years since its creation in 1903 that the Tour de France was not held due to the two World Wars. Clearly, stopping the Tour due to worldwide war would have been unfair to Greg Lemond, had he been alive, and would have in all likelihood, been a move orchestrated by Bernard Hinault, had he himself been alive, to keep Lemond from winning the tour. Thus, Lemond believes that these years should also be included in the TDFTLSHW, giving him a total of 103 wins.

Finally, Lemond explains that he has included the years between the invention of the bicycle to the first Tour de France (1839 to 1903) in the TDFTLSHW. Had the French had the foresight to create the Tour de France in a more timely manner, Lemond would have definitely won it each and every year, again assuming he had been alive (see above). Obviously Lemond cannot be blaimed for the shortsightedness and general ineptitude of the French, and therefore the victory from the Tours de France that should have been held in these years must be credited to Lemond, bringing the final tally of TDFTLSHW to 167.

Note that while Lemond has not yet been able to rationalize including years before the invention of the bicycle in the TDFTLSHW, he has created a company to pursue such an effort. The company is hard at work on a rationalization and hopes to produce one for him within the year.
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Awesome!
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Hilarious! My BF will crack up over this. He's always saying LeMond is an angry little man.
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Nice work.
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that is great
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That's sums it up perfectly.
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Re: Breaking News: Greg Lemond [carlson] [ In reply to ]
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This rules!!!
I nearly lost frappamochachino latte soy half caff when I read it.

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LOL ..hilarious .thanks for the good laugh!


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TDFTLSHW LOL!

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Excellent!

"completely reneged on the reacharound"

Most excellent! ("What's so funny, dad?")

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Re: Breaking News: Greg Lemond [carlson] [ In reply to ]
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totally asinine.

I'm really, really tired of the Lemond bashing. Gee - I wonder why Greg is bitter?

Maybe it has something to do with all the jerk offs he has had to deal with, respond to, and take shots from during and after his illustrious career.

Greg is a pretty decent guy, and a guy who has a deep unalloyed love for a sport he sees crumbling down under the weight of it's own illegal and immoral conduct. He speaks his mind, and is remarkably unconcerned with how his statements are perceived, and how they make him appear in the court of public opinion. I think he deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that.

This post isn't "huge" - it's a piece of crap, unwarranted shot at a complicated individual whose single biggest crime is that he says out loud what more circumspect individuals mutter under their breath, and behind people's backs.

Greg has the balls to say what he thinks, and when he was healthy, he had the legs to back up those balls, and in a way only 2 or 3 riders in history have been able to.

Greg had Mercx level talent, and was forced to watch (on more than one occasion) as the opportunity to excercise that talent was taken away from him.

I am willing to go out on a limb and state the following:

There is no one on this site who woke up one morning and realized that they could well have within themselves the talent and ability to be the single greatest professional cyclist in history.

No one here was forced to follow that thought up with the realization that despite winning (on multiple occasions,) both the TDF and the World Championships, they would never be able to fulfill their potential due entirely to circumstances beyond their control.

No one here has ever entered a bike race against the best riders in the world, knowing - and having proven - that you are stronger than all of them, only to watch as they ride away from you under the influence of illegal performance enhancing drugs.

No one here has a Palmares that looks like this:

1981
1st of Coors Classic
- 1st of the 1st stage
- 1st of the 7th stage
1st of the 1st stage (b) of the Tour of Oise
3rd of Critérium of Dauphiné Liberé
3rd of the Tour of the Tarn
5th of the Trophy of the Climbing ones
11th of International Critérium
47th of the World Championship

1982
1st of the Tour du Pourvenir
- 1st of the 4th stage
- 1st of the 5th stage
- 1st of the 8th stage
2nd of the World Championship
2nd of the Mediterranean Tour
3rd of the Tour of Corsica
3rd of Tirreno-Adriatico
- 1st of the 3rd stage
3rd of the G.P of Rennes
11th of Ghent-Wevelgem
17th of Milan-San Remo

1983
Champion of the World
1st of Critérium of Dauphiné Liberé
- 1st of the 1st stage
- 1st of the 5th stage
- 1st of the 7th stage (b)
1st of Critérium of the Aces in Geneva
1st of the 1st stage of the Mediterranean Tour
2nd of Giro di Lombardia
2nd of the G.P of the Nations
4th of the Tour of Switzerland
4th of Blois-Chaville
10th of the Flèche Wallonne
10th of Tirreno-Adriatico
12th of Paris-Brussels
12th of Ghent-Wevelgem
Abandonment the Vuelta a España

1984
3rd of the Tour of France
- 1st of the 3rd stage (chrono by teams)
3rd of Liege-Bastogne-Liege
3rd of Critérium of Dauphiné Liberé
- 1st of the 7th stage (b)
5th of Tirreno-Adriatico
7th of the Round van Nederland
8th of International Critérium
9th of Ghent-Wevelgem
15th of the Tour of Flandres
27th of the World Championship

1985
1st of Coors Classic
- 1st of the 5th stage
2nd of the World Championship
2nd of the Tour of France
- 1st of the 21st stage
2nd of the Tour of the Basque Country
3rd of Giro d' Italia
4th of Paris-Roubaix
4th of Het Volk
4th of International Critérium
5th of the Tour of Valence
6th of the Mediterranean Tour
7th of the Tour of Flandres
7th of the G.P Eddy Merckx
17th of Liege-Bastogne-Liege
18th of Ghent-Wevelgem

1986
Winner of the Tour of France
- 1st of the 13th stage
1st in Lisieux
1st in Stiphout
2nd of Milan-San Remo
2nd of Coors Classic
- 1st of the 5th stage
3rd of the Tour of Switzerland
- 1st of the points score
3rd of Paris-Nice
3rd of International Critérium
4th of Giro d' Italia
- 1st of the 5th stage
4th of the Championship of Zurich
5th of the Flèche Wallonne
6th of the Tour of Valence
- 1st of the 4th stage
7th of the World Championship
11th of the Tour of Flandres
14th of Liege-Bastogne-Liege
19th of Ghent-Wevelgem

1987
19th of Het Volk

1988
2nd of the Tour of Americas
3rd of the G.P of the Release (chrono by teams)

1989
Champion of the World
Winner of the Tour of France
- 1st of the 5th stage
- 1st of the 19th stage
- 1st of the 21st stage
1st in Amiens
1st in Callac
1st in Linne
1st in Emmen
1st in Lèves
2nd of the Trophy of the Center
3rd of the Tour of Americas
4th of International Critérium
4th of the G.P of Americas
6th of Tirreno-Adriatico
7th of the Tour of the Mining Valleys
10th of the Tour of Philadelphia
17th of Het Volk
39th of Giro d' Italia

1990
Winner of the Tour of France
1st in Dijon
1st in Lombron
2nd of the Championship of Zurich
4th of the World Championship
10th of the Tour of Switzerland
- 6th of the 10th stage
105th of Giro d' Italia

1991
1st in Callac
7th of the Tour of France
12th of Dupont Tour
22nd of the Tour of Switzerland
Abandonment in Giro d' Italia

1992
1st of Dupont Tour
- 1st of the prologue
2nd of the Tour of Armorique
4th of the Tour of Switzerland
9th of Paris-Roubaix
11th of Critérium of Dauphiné Liberé
22nd of Milan-San Remo
Abandonment with the Tour of France (14th stage)

1993
13th the 3 days of the La Panne
25th of the Tour of Flandres

1994
8th of the G.P First Union

...and yet, can only look back at these results as a disappointment, given what might have been.





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Great summation carlson ... greg l deserves it all!

Fredly ... nice summation of the PAST. Now just a bitter no one cares EX.
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I love it. Every time Lemond opens his trap, I boil with anger at how he chased his own teammate, Boyer, down at the 1982 Worlds.

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Fredly is Lemond. LEMOND IS FREDLY!!

Just kidding dude
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Woopee Fucking Do -

Greg has a right to say what he wants and so do people on this forum. It makes no difference if Greg is a better cyclist than everyone on this board. I'm so sick of people that say just because you haven't been there doesn't give you the right to comment on it. I guarantee that Greg could never beat me in a swim race in his best fucking day, so what?? Like I care??

I actually do respect Greg for what he has done but when he goes sputing off and comes of all holier than thou he sounds like a big asshole. People assume Greg didn't use any illegal drugs and he probably didn't but he has no proof he didn't use them either, thats the case with many of the current rumours and innuendo. I am pretty sure the 80's tours that Greg road in had a fair share of drug use during them its just that drug testing wasn't a big deal at the time.

Greg just looks more and more like a guy who can't get over the fact that someone surpassed him as better cyclist and has to either pump himself up to make him look good or drag down the other persons accomplishments.
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He's still an asshole. Anyone who spouts the crap he does, bashing any winning cyclist based on rumors and inuendo, deserves all the shit coming his way. Also, what the hell makes you sure he was clean? He's a bitter, fat, aging EX-cyclist. The pots was GREAT!

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"Fredly ... nice summation of the PAST.Now just a bitter no one cares EX"

Yup - probably true - the "no one cares" part, at least. I'm sure you are quite proud of that.



"It makes no difference if Greg is a better cyclist than everyone on this board. I'm so sick of people that say just because you haven't been there doesn't give you the right to comment on it..."

I don't see anybody saying anything of the sort, and I'm sure not. I suggest you find another windmill to tilt at...



"Anyone who spouts the crap he does, bashing any winning cyclist based on rumors and inuendo, deserves all the shit coming his way."

- it should go without saying that this is simply ridiculous hyperbole, and please note Lemond's current statements of support for Landis...



"I love it. Every time Lemond opens his trap, I boil with anger at how he chased his own teammate, Boyer, down at the 1982 Worlds"

- Yes, clearly we should judge Lemond's post-racing exploits in a harsh light relative to those of Jock Boyer (deep sigh...)



"Also, what the hell makes you sure he was clean?"

...I give up.







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Re: Breaking News: Greg Lemond [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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I'm really, really tired of the Lemond bashing. Gee - I wonder why Greg is bitter?

Finally, someone with some common sense.

Greg is outspoken against drugs in cycling and he is hated for that by the athletes and even cycling fans because he speaks the truth. This is a classic example of people just wanting to believe that Greg is telling the truth and trying to clean up the sport.

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Re: Breaking News: Greg Lemond [carlson] [ In reply to ]
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and imagine if you put all this negative energy to good use?
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Hilarious. A great read. My Palmares looks a little better than Lemond's too.

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Greg had Mercx level talent, and was forced to watch (on more than one occasion) as the opportunity to excercise that talent was taken away from him.


Laugh out-freaking Loud! That is the funniest thing I have read all day. I was not watching cycling then, but from everything I have ever read about Merckx, his "talent" was in his mind and his work ethic. He rode more miles than anyone, raced hard all the time and took off on wild an crazy attacks that others simply would not consider. He took his profession very seriously and raced from the beginning to the season to the end.

LeMond probably had more physical talent than just about anyone, but he didn't always make good choices. In '85, he chose to join La Vie Clair; he chose to take lot of money; he chose to sit up and not ride with Stephen Roche or drop him and hammer to the top of Luz Ardiden. He chose not to reach out with both hands and take what he wanted.

Thanks to LeMond we have the attitude that "the Tour de France is all that matters" since before him most riders rode the whole season. Later in his career he moved to Minnesota and took up cross-country skiing. Huh? The man was paid a lot of money to ride a bike and chose to do other things.

So be it, but he needs to know when to shut up. He may not be a bitter old man, but he sure sounds like one. Had he remained healthy, made better choices and raced all those years, he might have won every tour; but nobody but nobody wants to hear him say it all the time.

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ROFLMAO - Thank you for adding some humour to this!
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"Laugh out-freaking Loud! That is the funniest thing I have read all day. I was not watching cycling then..."

Clearly.

"Thanks to LeMond we have the attitude that "the Tour de France is all that matters" since before him most riders rode the whole season."

Yeah, and LeMond sure didn't do that. Why, a rider who rode the whole season would probably, I don't know - maybe win the World Championship twice? Or how about finish Paris Roubaix in the top 10 a couple of times... maybe finish second at Milan San Remo? Gee - I wonder... who was the last rider (prior to Tom Boonen) to wear the Maillot Jaune while reigning world champion... *



"In '85, he chose to join La Vie Clair; he chose to take lot of money..."**

Money? How Evil! And, of course, Merckx never had any team controvery in his career...



"Later in his career he moved to Minnesota and took up cross-country skiing. Huh?"

... and twenty years later, Bjarne Riis is a genius for insisting his riders cross-train... Huh?



"Had he remained healthy, made better choices and raced all those years..."

Yup. Clearly, he should have chosen to avoid getting that shotgun blast in the chest. That's what Chuck Norris would have done...





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*Humourous mocking of your post aside, Lemond's 1986 season clearly reads as one of the single greatest complete seasons ever ridden by a professional cyclist. Lemond always received criticism as a rider who focused unduly on the TDF, but with the benefit of hindsight, it should be clear to even the most uninformed fan of the sport that this criticism was, and is, almost entirely without merit.

1986
Winner of the Tour of France
- 1st of the 13th stage
1st in Lisieux
1st in Stiphout
2nd of Milan-San Remo
2nd of Coors Classic
- 1st of the 5th stage
3rd of the Tour of Switzerland
- 1st of the points score
3rd of Paris-Nice
3rd of International Critérium
4th of Giro d' Italia
- 1st of the 5th stage
4th of the Championship of Zurich
5th of the Flèche Wallonne
6th of the Tour of Valence
- 1st of the 4th stage
7th of the World Championship
11th of the Tour of Flandres
14th of Liege-Bastogne-Liege
19th of Ghent-Wevelgem

** LeMonds decisions to "...take a lot of money..." were in large part responsible for the revolution in cycling wage structures and organization that transformed the ranks of Professional cycling at that time. He deserves nothing but credit for asking for, fighting for, and getting wages commensurate with his value to team and sponsor, and these benefits clearly accrued to all European professional cyclists, who owe him a debt of gratitude, much as American athletes do to Curtis Flood. If, as you contend, the quest for equitable pay did, in fact, hurt Lemond's career as a cyclist, the comparison to Flood is even more appropros.





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So here's Lemond's most recent public statements:

"If he is confirmed positive, I hope he has the courage to tell the truth," LeMond said in an interview with French weekly Le Journal du Dimanche released on Saturday. "He alone can change the face of the sport today. His example could be a symbol of change."

In a veiled reference to seven-time winner Lance Armstrong, long dogged by doping allegations, LeMond added: "I hope that (Landis) won't do what another American did: Deny, deny, deny."

I think much of the Lemond bashing is immature and misguided. However, the above just rubs me wrong. Since even Landis expects the B test to return positive, at what point will Lemond demand that he "tell the truth." It seems Lemond will make up his mind after the B test and is either ignorant as to what that really means or he's being disingenuous. And then there's the cheap shot at Armstrong. Sure, I know there's bad blood between the two of them, but Lemond needs to act a bit more diplomatic if he wants people to take him seriously. You really can't fault people too much for criticizing him as a whiner, as he feeds the fire.
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Rotflmao !!
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