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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Ryon] [ In reply to ]
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I love Wiggin's track helmet.

How does it compare aerodynamically with a conventional "tailed" aero helmet?

Where can I get one in the US? :-)


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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [MOP_Mike] [ In reply to ]
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PBK has a few.
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Ryon] [ In reply to ]
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When you go as fast as Wiggins you don't need to breathe - just use the Ramjet principle to compress the air into your lungs and bloodstream.


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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Ryon] [ In reply to ]
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Remember, this is ST: Breathing doesn't matter. Just aerodynamics.


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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [seebritri] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Old Albion] [ In reply to ]
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Old Albion wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
I was watching the TT yesterday and with those socks hiked up high, all I could think is that he looks like a stork. "Lanky Scottsman" is an understatement, but damn, he tore up that TT..


Actually, he's English (not a Scot) but you're right he does look super lean. Interesting also that he was so cautious on the decsent when he is known to be a very good descender.

Actually, O.A. the Belgians could have claim on Brad as he was born in Ghent! But a true London boy from breeding. Definitely not a Scot though.


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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Landyachtz] [ In reply to ]
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This is why they don't let Bobke out in public much. True Phil is getting senile in his old days, but I got pretty sick of hearing 'Beau-Ahhhhsehn - Haggen' in all his commentary today.
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Ryon] [ In reply to ]
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"distance from the knee to triceps. " sorry but I see no triceps!
he must have less than 1% body fat on him! He is an impressive rider but wtf eat something quickly!!

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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Ryon] [ In reply to ]
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who sells that helmet?? can't even find it on the KASK website?
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [thePharaoh] [ In reply to ]
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They aren't selling it until after London 2012.
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [thePharaoh] [ In reply to ]
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thePharaoh wrote:
who sells that helmet?? can't even find it on the KASK website?

It isn't available to the public yet.


http://teamsky.cyclingnews.com/tech-features/1040/


"the helmet will be used exclusively by Team Sky and British Cycling until the 2012 London Olympics, after which it will become available to the public"
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Steve Irwin] [ In reply to ]
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Bastards! there goes my chance to improve from 30th to 29th in AG
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [thePharaoh] [ In reply to ]
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thePharaoh wrote:
Bastards! there goes my chance to improve from 30th to 29th in AG

or maybe 31st

I assume the idea with that helmet is to be better at more yaw angles so you can look around/down more

buuuuuut

that is a pro cycling team! surely they can keep their head still for 30 minutes



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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Isn't it that they've found the head down position is more aero, and have just done a helmet design optimised for that?
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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i think the "breathing" issue is urban mythology. i think ventilation is rarely an issue in bike positioning. i think "opening up the lungs" is a proxy for other things, like, opening up the hip angle so that a mechanical advantage can be gained over the resistance that needs to be overcome.

I think breathing limits my power production in a narrow elbow TT position. I actually spent Nov '10 - Feb '11 testing this theory... almost all workouts were on the trainer on the TT bike. To this day, I have never put out >320 watts for 20 minutes in a narrow elbow TT position. With wide elbows I have produced over 340 for nearly 30 minutes (actually years ago when I first started training with power and before I started tweaking my position). I don't *know* for sure though because I was too lazy to move the elbow position back and forth week to week (and after mid-Feb my main TT target was complete and I needed to get ready for road racing)... maybe next winter.

I *think* this is a problem for me because I have very broad shoulders. Bringing my elbows together closes in my chest more than others. I'm open to different theories but I'm pretty confident that this is the source of my problem.



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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [mcdoublee] [ In reply to ]
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mcdoublee wrote:
I *think* this is a problem for me because I have very broad shoulders. Bringing my elbows together closes in my chest more than others. I'm open to different theories but I'm pretty confident that this is the source of my problem.
I feel like I lack leverage on the bars to get the power out with my elbows closer together. I saw this quite clearly when riding a road bike with clip-ons. I was getting frustrated with my lack of power in the clip-ons on a 6 minute hill climb up a modest gradient (only 2.5% average), and switched to the drops. My body position didn't change to any significant extent, but I instantly saw my power go up by tens of Watts due to being able to pull so much harder against the bars, and it stayed at the higher level, it wasn't just a short term gain that quickly faded.
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [mcdoublee] [ In reply to ]
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Wiggins apparently averaged 476W in the recent CTT 10 mile TT champs....
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Ryon] [ In reply to ]
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Breathing is overrated and an anachronistic concept.
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [zone_V] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Steve Irwin] [ In reply to ]
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i don't understand why you need to pull on the bars to make power.

do you make a LOT of power?

im pretty sure i can do my 20 minute power with no tension on the bars at all. in fact im sure of it, it would be exhausting otherwise.



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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [mcdoublee] [ In reply to ]
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I'm glad Dan chimed in on breathing restriction with an aggressive position being an urban myth (in his opinion). I share that opinion and would like to expand it to include the mistaken idea that one can not have narrow armrests if they have broad shoulders for the same reason. I'm 6'2 and have extremely wide shoulders. I mainly race bikes and every time I see a picture of myself in the peleton, I look like a rolling billboard I'm pushing so much air compared to everyone else. I recently sent my Ventus aerobats to Rob English to have them modified so I could get lower and narrower. I go considerably narrower than even the closest setting. As I've gotten my set up to max drop and as narrow as you can go I have experienced NO breathing restriction. The ability to ride aggressive (in my opinion) has everything to do with flexibility and nothing to do with body size, shoulder width, etc. And this isn't just for short cycling TT's either. I'm doing IMCd'A in a couple weeks and I've done countless 4 and 5 hour rides in this position without any problem.
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [Ryon] [ In reply to ]
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give him a break... he is only trying to pass gas for a second or two.
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [SpencerDC] [ In reply to ]
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The interesting thing is that the breathing restriction is only a problem when I am riding near or above threshold. I can TT all day long at HIM or IM paces with narrow elbows... 40k TT pace or faster, no way. I actually feel like I'm not pulling in enough air.



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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [mcdoublee] [ In reply to ]
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do this test:
get in your aero position or just in a chair with your elbows touching.

breathe in as deep as you can

sit up, pull your elbows apart.

how much more can you breathe in?

0 for me

and you don't breathe that deep at threshold any way.

im not saying this is impossible, but I do really doubt that narrow elbows actually interferes with breathing. I can't see how it would.


mcdoublee wrote:
The interesting thing is that the breathing restriction is only a problem when I am riding near or above threshold. I can TT all day long at HIM or IM paces with narrow elbows... 40k TT pace or faster, no way. I actually feel like I'm not pulling in enough air.



Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter
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Re: Bradley Wiggins's position... how does he breathe?!? [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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I've done this exact test and do believe I breath easier when my elbows are not close together. But am I an objective observer?



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