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Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida
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Hi all,

We had a pretty small event down in Florida (40 peeps racing) but figured that I'd give a shout out to Billy who I crewed for.

His pre-race blog:
http://billythekidtriathlete.com/...-about-to-roll-here/

He's been a bit busy with racing and recovering (+kids) to put up much of one since then but you can also find some pics from twitter here: https://twitter.com/billythekidtri/media

On the crew there in the Orlando area I was joined by Joanna Zeiger (JZ) and Derek Russell (Doctor D). Both Wednesday and Thursday had their share of duties for getting things in order for Friday's gun. Not to mention the background research and homework that we had undertaken in the weeks leading into this. Wednesday there was bike check and race check in and on Thursday morning we had the pre race meeting. <tangent> Super, awesome, stupendous side note... we had Steve King announcing. Anyone familiar with Ironman Canada (as opposed to IM whistler) will know who Steve is. There is no better race announcer, period. Did feel a bit bad for him as there was really no one to announce too :-\ </tangent> There is certainly a different feel to this event as opposed to your local tri races or a WTC event or an xterra. I found that it resembled the Ultra Running community more than anything. Warm and very supportive. Perhaps a lot like Ironman was in the early days. Overcoming the course and the distance being more the concern then outperforming any fellow athlete.

The start on Friday morning was delayed by 2 hours as Florida was in the midst of experiencing it's full 4 days of winter for the year. The overnight lows were in the 30s and the highs in the low 50s (coming from more northern latitudes it didn't feel as bad as the sun was much more intense (having been in seattle 36 hours prior). Way smart move as the shallow lake was in the low 60s (maybe high 50s) and with the reduced effort from such a long swim it was going to be quite the cold affair. Dr. D was Billy's escort throughout the 10k swim and after 3:20 "the captain" was out of the water. Getting his frozen butt through T1 was quite the ordeal. Dude had non-functioning fingers and feet. Some athletes had opted for a much more sprint/half like transition with simply leaving the water, getting on the bike and jetting off but we had planned to have Billy swap out clothes and get warm. Once out on the bike course he started flying through those who had come out of the water ahead of him. Quick note on the bike course you have to obey red lights and stop signs. Like any good spastic triathlete leaving T1 his watts were far too high, especially on the tail wind sections. While we had shown him the Best Bike Split guidelines for the day we hadn't been explicit in the instructions to him about it. As it's a long day(s) JZ had Billy's nutrition dialed in to a T for both Swim and Bike. Logistically Day 1 was the toughest as it was the only one with a transition. That and feeding someone during the swim made for some nifty food play. For the rest of the day Billy made his way from 11th up to 2nd. All the while Doctor D was hopping out of the car giving him food, water, and salt. Afterwards we headed home for some burgers and fries and some analysis of the day and prep for Day 2. Nice thing in having a chiropractor on your team (Dr. D) was adjustments that Billy could get at the end of the day. After a long swim and then 4 hours in aero there was a fair bit of body work that needed to be done.

BBS side note: Estimation to reality was off by only ~2 minutes today. That said, wattage execution was imprecise (but NP and AP ended up about expected) so not sure how that would affect the model.

Day 2 seemed, at the start, a bit of an easier day to chew on. Famous last words, both for athlete and for crew. We headed out at 5:30a for Lone Cabbage Fish Camp (not sure what cabbage is doing in the Florida swamp!) for the day's start. The previous day's steady and strong northerly winds were in the process of swinging around to the south. Case in point, while it was in the upper 30s at lone cabbage it was in the mid to high 60s only about 20 miles to the southeast! At the outset most chose to ride quite easy (I don't blame them!). We waited around for about 15minutes before beginning our chase after "the kid." The group had mostly stayed together but Billy was nowhere to be found! Eventually we caught up with him about a mile ahead of the rest! The first 100 or so miles of this 172 mile day were very flat. With zero wind at the start, cool temps, and open, smooth roads Billy was FLYING (probably not a word most associate with UM!). He was humming along at 23-26 mph. Throughout the first 5 hours of the day it was pretty routine. Watch him fly, get ahead, hop out, do a 1-2 second chat, hand up nutrition, etc., hop back in the car, repeat. Whereas JZ had driving duties the day before and Doctor D was in the position of handus uperus, roles reversed for day 2. I played navigator and utility man (luckily on neither day was bike mechanic ever needed). When we finally arrived in the famous hills of the Clermont area he was still pumping out a good pace. For us mountain folks (Billy, JZ and myself) it was really nice to see some topography! When we got to the only out and back of the day we clocked billy in at a 27 minute lead. WOOT! From here things just got progressively more difficult. Much like the run on an Ironman. While he has a record of doing multiple 100s of mile rides in the past and an impressive top 50 finish at Paris-Brest-Paris, "the kid" hadn't had a whole bunch of super long riding in quite awhile (ya know, cute kids and all). The leap frogging got a lot shorter and the yelling got a lot louder. The grades on some of the hills here are no joke. While not big vertically and not super long horizontally when tossed in at mile 150 of a monster ride like this they are deadly! Not to mention the previous day's activities! The kid made it to the line and if ever there was a bike ride to take an ice bath after this was it! Another night of pounding calories and cleaning up from the day and prepping for the next. Earliest morning of the tour awaited us next.

BBS side note: prediction and reality way off here but mostly due to winds that did not materialize as we thought they would (helpful ones) and fatigue that no model could have predicted! That said he was 10-15w below target for the first few hours and that still couldn't keep the fatigue demons at bay in the final miles of the course.

Day 3. With fear and fatigue open full bore Billy went into today with a conservative mindset. Double marathon, with lots of hills is really a beast! (personal note: i don't think the first two days of the race are all that bad, a long swim and bike, cool! then a really long ride that's doable, but day 3...... nooooooo thank you. Especially on those tired of legs) While he had told us prior to day 1 that he was going to have trouble keeping it above 6:30/mile pace for the first two miles ("it's all down hill!." he would protest) the first two days of racing helped wisen him up and he played it a lot cooler. Making his way thru the first half mary in just over an hour forty. From then on it was fuel, jog, maybe occasionally, walk and just power this distance down. JZ helped pace for 27 of the miles and Dr D threw in 10 more (huge effort man!). There were plenty of antics and shenanigans all in keeping the captain engaged and plowing towards the finish line.

In the end it was a test to explore the distance. During his time racing full time and after Billy has played with the idea of longer and more distance insane biking events. Many the randonee, PBP, Furnace Creek, Grand Loop, just to name a few. This was just a natural extension of those efforts. After this he's looking at tackling Hawai'i UM in the future. Maybe not for '15 but good chance you'll see him out there in '16.

If you want to ask questions I'll be sure to direct him over to this thread to answer them for you.

Laters.

36 kona qualifiers 2006-'23 - 3 Kona Podiums - 4 OA IM AG wins - 5 IM AG wins - 18 70.3 AG wins
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Last edited by: MarkyV: Feb 25, 15 20:54
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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Cool. I found the maps on the website and they really put the effort into perspective. I couldn't find results (found results link but no results). Any results anywhere?

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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Great race by Billy and the crew.

It would be interesting to hear if in hindsight whether racing to HR would be a better strategy compared to power. The reason I ask is that very few of the contenders at UMWC ride to power and they use HR instead (I am not advocating either way) Also how does Billy envisage his training/race plan to change once he heads to UMWC now that he has experienced UM for the first time.
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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [H-] [ In reply to ]
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That's odd, we were looking at results at the conclusion of every evening while at the race (i'm not sure what URL we were at).

Chatted with BTK and he said he'd get on here later tonight to answer any q's. I'm surprised it's not straight forward to find it.

36 kona qualifiers 2006-'23 - 3 Kona Podiums - 4 OA IM AG wins - 5 IM AG wins - 18 70.3 AG wins
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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [iainbanks1] [ In reply to ]
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I know that he wasn't super fit (for this event specifically). Fatigue resistance training, i.e. 10 hour rides, have not been on the docket for about 18 months ('13 Furnace Creek prep). I think on day 1 power is totally applicable, especially on the florida course where wind direction is really your only variable. As for day 2 I don't think it would have mattered, in this specific case that is, as he got so fatigued that HR dropped really low (subjective, he wasn't wearing a strap). We chalked up the sluggishness at the end of Day 2 to not being super well prepped for the event and perhaps a little bit of exuberance on Day 1 out of the T1 gate. I'm going to be watching this area as I'm kind of intrigued about how JZ and I can help him for a future Hawai'i bid.

36 kona qualifiers 2006-'23 - 3 Kona Podiums - 4 OA IM AG wins - 5 IM AG wins - 18 70.3 AG wins
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Last edited by: MarkyV: Feb 25, 15 20:51
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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Great Job,

I crewed for the first time this year on the run at UMC, I would say I was more stressed out than our friend we were crewing for ;-) I remember early in the run at one of our aid stations she said "hey lets all have fun, no need to yell" …..I then realized that I was the only one yelling ;-) you know giving instructions and trying to make sure everything was perfect….I understood pretty quickly that I was adding stress to the situation, not reducing it.

Crewing at an Ultra is really tough but one of the best things I've ever done, lots of fun when everything comes together at the end. If anyone ever has a chance to do it I would highly recommend it really fun being part of a team.

Great write up and congrats to you and your athlete,

Cheers,
Maurice
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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Great recap! We are working on enhanced wind models now to help a bit with forecasting wind/conditions on these long races. Not much we can do about the fatigue demons :)

Shoot me a note sometime would love to talk to you about the race.

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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [Mrcooper] [ In reply to ]
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Hey! I've been meaning to pester Trent about getting us all together. Think I'll do that now.

On Day 2 we used a few wind forecasts averaged but throughout the day I kept noting what the winds were actually doing and they didn't play out quite as they should have. The part where he would have had the biggest kick (1st 75 miles of riding to the WNW with an ESE tail wind) the wind just wasn't there and then later on the southerlies were stronger than forecasted. The biggest culprit tho was just getting one's ass kicked over 172 miles. ;)

36 kona qualifiers 2006-'23 - 3 Kona Podiums - 4 OA IM AG wins - 5 IM AG wins - 18 70.3 AG wins
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Re: Billy "the kid" takes Ultraman Florida [iainbanks1] [ In reply to ]
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Ian,

Good questions that I can quickly answer:

Power vs HR Pacing
-I have ridden on power for 99.9% of my rides over the years so I know what I can do even for these lengthy rides. For example at the508 in 2013 I rode just below FTP (calculated at altitude so I was even more comfortable -perhaps we should call it high subLT) for about an hour pacing off the leaders but I knew I could recover and still ride high endurance watts for the duration- and I did vaulting to the lead when the leaders blew up at 5 hours.

When it comes to UMFL- I totally fooked up Day 1 despite a rippin' time. No control and it was staring me in the face for 2 hours- stooopid! Lots of mistakes on Day1 despite a pretty decent performance. Even on Day 2- I know my abilities for a ~300km ride via power vs HR. HR would have been all over the place and with the altitude adjustment I would have had even more variables to factor in. In my opinion- ultra folks in general train too old school. I think that much of what has made me a good (not great) consistent ironman athlete can be applied to the ultras.No need to go back to the 90s and rely on HR. Marky V's model had me considering course records but I knew about 50 miles in that even just below target watts that I was not getting the necessary speed (not enough tail wind!).

-With regards to the run and pacing, same things apply. I know my abilities and it is much easier to measure with a Garmin than HR- PLUS- I absolutely despise running with a HR strap.

-APPLYING THIS TO UMWC/Kona-
-I think that I learned a lot about the nutrition and pacing. Things to my benefit moving forward- water won't be cold, the course has some climbing(those stretches in aero, which I had not trained for this winter, kinda wrecked my back Saturday). Nutrition confidence- knowing that I can really do some serious eating and not have GI distress (in my last ironman, I had my only GI isssue- EVER- so I was still a bit shell-shocked from that). The biggest thing is confidence in the distance- I am now confident that I could go the distance on any given weekend- which is what I need to really race it.
-THINGS THAT NEED TWEEKING- The swim will require a great paddler (from Kona) and swimming and doing nutrition in salt water will be WAY different- swallow too much and then I vomit! Perhaps I have some surf trips back to VB to regain my ocean confidence. I purposefully shut it down on Day 1 and Day 3 just because I could and I won't be doing that in Hawaii.I will need to do better specific run training and running really hard will be different than my methodical technique on Sunday. Therefore the run back from Hawi- is still a bit intimidating- as it should be. Finally, that Day 3 run will require much more hydration and cooling to go for a mid 6 (which will be imperative). Lots to work on and consider which means a likely delay to 2016 so I can properly focus and nail it.

This year is Paris-Brest-Paris and since it is held every 4 years- this might be my best shot at le premier group and a really, really fast finish time.

I believe there will an interview coming out this week or next to give more info on my race and my crew.

Thanks for the write-up MarkyV. You failed to add in your GI distress issues. Honestly, something that I need to consider in the future- thankfully we had it covered. I appreciated the pacing confidence you had me on going into Day 2 despite the result (more calories!!!).

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later,
billy
Endurance Athlete and Coach
Naval Academy Triathlon Coach (USNA '00 and USMC)
billythekidtriathlete.com
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Results:
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Yay! My buddy Alin Lupas came in 24th. I took him out for his first long-distance training swim last summer. We went 5 miles. He literally crawled out of the water and collapsed on the beach. So glad he's improved!

Proud member of FISHTWITCH: doing a bit more than fish exercise now.
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 It was fun tracking all weekend from home. Impressive feat for all these guys. Weaver finished 9th in his third year of triathlon.
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