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Re: Bilateral breathing, breakthrough [runner66] [ In reply to ]
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Yup. You're creating too much drag when you breathe, and probably pausing to do it.

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Re: Bilateral breathing, breakthrough [runner66] [ In reply to ]
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When I breath bilaterally my cadence goes up
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Re: Bilateral breathing, breakthrough [runner66] [ In reply to ]
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runner66 wrote:
I made a minor breakthrough today and it was after I started breathing bilaterally. A few days ago I did a set of 15x50on 1:10 and each repeat was right at 50seconds. Yes I am slow but working my way back into shape. Today I did the same set but decided to breathe every third stroke. Each 50 was 45 to 47 seconds. What does that say about my stroke? That my breathing is creating too much drag?

I read the swim smooth article about bilateral breathing and figured I would try it, because I have a crossover issue and a scissor kick.

This increase in speed works b/c you're only swimming 50s and getting 13-15 sec rest every minute. When you go to swim a straight 1500 meters, then you will prob not get enough air and slow down more and more across the 1500. Try wearing the ankle band with the pull buoy to eliminate your scissor kick; swim in this configuration all the time for 6 weeks and that should result in your being able to just let your legs flow along straight behind you when swimming, and then and only then, can you try to add in a proper flutter kick. However, even if you never achieve much of a flutter kick, you're much better off eliminating the scissor kick b/c this is likely slowing you down dramatically. There are a couple of guys at my club who have serious scissor kicks, and they both almost completely stop when they breath. Needless to say, this is not good.

To eliminate the crossing over issue, try to look a bit further in front of you so that you can watch each hand enter the water, and stop it, just stop the effing crossing over. That's all there is to it, you just have to stop doing it. Watch your hands/arms and stop it.




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Re: Bilateral breathing, breakthrough [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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To be honest, the scissor kick isn't usually because of how the person kicks. It's because they over rotate and are probably breathing late, which causes a pause on the breath. The scissor is just a counterbalance.

Fix the breathing will usually fix the scissor

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Re: Bilateral breathing, breakthrough [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
To be honest, the scissor kick isn't usually because of how the person kicks. It's because they over rotate and are probably breathing late, which causes a pause on the breath. The scissor is just a counterbalance.
Fix the breathing will usually fix the scissor

Well, understand your point and the scissor kickers at my club definitely "look at the sky" when breathing, but i still think using the band/buoy might help him fix the problem by eliminating the ability to scissor. I suppose you could just say don't over rotate and breath earlier but that might be easier said than done, plus he's already the crossover problem to correct by "just stopping it":)


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Re: Bilateral breathing, breakthrough [jaretj] [ In reply to ]
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jaretj wrote:
When I breath bilaterally my cadence goes up

I noticed this the other day.

I was doing 400s in open water playing with the Garmin HR strap. I would do a 400 breathing to one side, then a 400 6 strokes one side, 6 the other side.

While looking at the HR data in Garmin connect I noticed the cadence chart of the bi-lateral 400s was oscillating between 32 spm to 35 to 32...

I always knew breathing bilaterally was a bit faster for me but never realized it was probably because of the cadence.
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Re: Bilateral breathing, breakthrough [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
jaretj wrote:
When I breath bilaterally my cadence goes up

I noticed this the other day.

I was doing 400s in open water playing with the Garmin HR strap. I would do a 400 breathing to one side, then a 400 6 strokes one side, 6 the other side.

While looking at the HR data in Garmin connect I noticed the cadence chart of the bi-lateral 400s was oscillating between 32 spm to 35 to 32...

I always knew breathing bilaterally was a bit faster for me but never realized it was probably because of the cadence.

Sorry for the late response:

I noticed it this season while swimming long course with a tempo trainer. I was trying to find out what my cadence was and was increasing the tempo trainer until it matched my stroke rate. I normally take a breath to the left every 4th breath, and when I did it I would get ahead of the trainer.

Going a little further, when I breathed every three I got way ahead of the trainer, from ~64 to 67-68 spm
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