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I NEED to increase my power on the bike. Are there any free sources for specific drills/ workouts that I can use to increase my power on the bike? Or should I just ride hard with the local road racers?

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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [zeusrun] [ In reply to ]
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Enjoy.

http://fascatcoaching.com/tips/three-ways-to-improve-functional-threshold-power/


http://fascatcoaching.com/tips/how-to-build-power-on-the-bike/


http://fascatcoaching.com/tips/sweetspottraining/

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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [chrica04] [ In reply to ]
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chrica04 wrote:
http://fascatcoaching.com/tips/three-ways-to-improve-functional-threshold-power/

What's the reason behind the broader definition of Sweet Spot, 83 to 97%, rather than Coggan & Allen's range of 88-93%?
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [rijndael] [ In reply to ]
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Just a larger range. Upper Tempo to low LT is still aerobic, More Bang For Your Buck Training. Just shows that some workouts you may do at 96%, others at 85%, but it'll still do the job!

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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [zeusrun] [ In reply to ]
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computrainer pig program. boosted my ftp immensley
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [zeusrun] [ In reply to ]
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zeusrun wrote:
I NEED to increase my power on the bike. Are there any free sources for specific drills/ workouts that I can use to increase my power on the bike?


There are two schools of thought. While both believe in increasing time-in-zone at the expense of intensity they disagree over where the trade-off should be.

1. Pull FTP up from above by doing supra-threshold work. 4x8 with two minutes rest at 90% of VO2max. Studies show the highest gains in FTP and VO2max versus traditional threshold training and longer/shorter intervals when this is done as part of a polarized program with 20% of sessions above the anaerobic threshold (beyond FTP) and 80% below the aerobic threshold (Friel Zones 1 and 2).

2. Push it up from below.
2a. Get close, but don't go over so you stay fresher. 2x20 with 5 minutes rest at 95% of FTP is a classic threshold work-out.
2b. Go slower to maximize time in zone with sweet spot riding straddling where Friel's zones 3 and 4 meet. 88 to 92%. As intervals or rides.


Mondays I moved on from 3x10 to 4x10 with 5 minutes rest starting at 110% of FTP.

Riding the entire rest of the week at an endurance pace would be boring; so Thursdays I ride 1:15 - 1:30 at 92-95%.

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Or should I just ride hard with the local road racers?


I think that on group rides the odds are nearly zero for you riding hard enough to benefit, but not so hard you can't maintain that intensity.
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [rijndael] [ In reply to ]
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rijndael wrote:
chrica04 wrote:
http://fascatcoaching.com/tips/three-ways-to-improve-functional-threshold-power/

What's the reason behind the broader definition of Sweet Spot, 83 to 97%, rather than Coggan & Allen's range of 88-93%?

Just an FYI, that's Hunter's range, reflecting his use of the training levels prescriptively.

Me, I consider what eventually was termed "sweetspot" by Frank Overton to be anything between approximately the level 2/3 boundary to FTP.

(IOW, it's a concept more than anything else.)
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [Drew Eckhardt] [ In reply to ]
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Drew Eckhardt wrote:
Studies show the highest gains in FTP and VO2max versus traditional threshold training and longer/shorter intervals when this is done as part of a polarized program with 20% of sessions above the anaerobic threshold (beyond FTP) and 80% below the aerobic threshold (Friel Zones 1 and 2).

What studies are those?
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:
Drew Eckhardt wrote:
Studies show the highest gains in FTP and VO2max versus traditional threshold training and longer/shorter intervals when this is done as part of a polarized program with 20% of sessions above the anaerobic threshold (beyond FTP) and 80% below the aerobic threshold (Friel Zones 1 and 2).


What studies are those?

As a start

Polarized vs. traditional approaches:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24550842
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23264537

4x4 vs 4x8 vs 4x16
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21812820

To summarize VO2max, time to exhaustion in supra-threshold efforts, and lactate threshold/40K time trial performance all improve more.

Impact on longer efforts like what happens to CP240 goes unmeasured. I'd be especially interested in how that works at moderate (~15 hours a week) total training volumes, as opposed to low-volume high-intensity where a lot of sweet spot is the path to high CTL.
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [Drew Eckhardt] [ In reply to ]
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Drew Eckhardt wrote:

1. Pull FTP up from above by doing supra-threshold work. 4x8 with two minutes rest at 90% of VO2max.

Is this correct 2 minutes rest at 90%of VO2max?
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [Livio Livius] [ In reply to ]
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If you're still aerobic, you can generally build up to be taking very little rest.

A great 70.3 workout I do and prescribe to my athletes is 10 x 10min ON 2min OFF Sweet Spot / Half Ironman Watts. It hurts, but in a race, you won't have 5min rest between effort level. So by taking only 2min, you can still get a great workout in, keep your watts up, but use little watts.

Carson Christen
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Torden Multisport
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [Drew Eckhardt] [ In reply to ]
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Drew Eckhardt wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
Drew Eckhardt wrote:
Studies show the highest gains in FTP and VO2max versus traditional threshold training and longer/shorter intervals when this is done as part of a polarized program with 20% of sessions above the anaerobic threshold (beyond FTP) and 80% below the aerobic threshold (Friel Zones 1 and 2).


What studies are those?

As a start

Polarized vs. traditional approaches:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24550842
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23264537

Since when is it "traditional" for endurance athletes to do no high-intensity intervals at all?
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Re: Bike Power Workouts? [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:
Drew Eckhardt wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
Drew Eckhardt wrote:
Studies show the highest gains in FTP and VO2max versus traditional threshold training and longer/shorter intervals when this is done as part of a polarized program with 20% of sessions above the anaerobic threshold (beyond FTP) and 80% below the aerobic threshold (Friel Zones 1 and 2).


What studies are those?


As a start

Polarized vs. traditional approaches:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24550842
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23264537

Since when is it "traditional" for endurance athletes to do no high-intensity intervals at all?

To be fair here, has anyone ever advocated doing nothing but threshold training?

Shouldn't the study compare Polorized against mostly threshold with some high intensity?
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