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As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ?
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The guy is on fire AGAIN.

Dances away from the peloton at Fleche Wallone:

http://www.velonews.com/2017/04/analysis/three-ingredients-valverdes-winning-recipe-mur_435991


Tears things apart at Volta Catalunya, Ruta Del Sol, and Vuelta Pais Vasco.


Liege Bastogne Liege this weekend.


The guy is better than ever after his Puerto ban, or the peloton is lower octane due to blood passport.


With the summers grand tour season coming up, Quintana has some decent firepower on Movistar with Valverde.
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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certainly he is on fire, though he normally is in the early season if not quite to the same level. i think this year in particular he is leaving the giro and tour to quintana (perhaps eyeing up vuelta) so more focused on the spring racing than most rivals who are building slower towards GTs. but really, he is quite uniquely suited to these races and in particular fleche as a genuine top level climber who also has genuine speed.

as for his dubious past, if i remember correctly he was never actually caught doping as such, just "implicated". i find it funny the way different riders are viewed in light of their pasts... some cast out completely, some considered completely fine, valverde seems to be an odd mix. worth noting that his 2 years away from the stress of racing might be just the reason why he is able to perform at such a high level despite his age

personally, i like him as a rider and see no reason to view him in any different light to anyone else wrt drugs

hoping quintana can come out of the giro well and movistar can be part of making a real race out of the tour this year
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [pk1] [ In reply to ]
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pk1 wrote:
if i remember correctly he was never actually caught doping as such, just "implicated

He was full-on caught. His DNA was matched to the DNA in a bag of plasma seized in Operation Puerto. He got a full two-year suspension.
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [pk1] [ In reply to ]
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pk1 wrote:
certainly he is on fire, though he normally is in the early season if not quite to the same level. i think this year in particular he is leaving the giro and tour to quintana (perhaps eyeing up vuelta) so more focused on the spring racing than most rivals who are building slower towards GTs. but really, he is quite uniquely suited to these races and in particular fleche as a genuine top level climber who also has genuine speed.

as for his dubious past, if i remember correctly he was never actually caught doping as such, just "implicated". i find it funny the way different riders are viewed in light of their pasts... some cast out completely, some considered completely fine, valverde seems to be an odd mix. worth noting that his 2 years away from the stress of racing might be just the reason why he is able to perform at such a high level despite his age

personally, i like him as a rider and see no reason to view him in any different light to anyone else wrt drugs

hoping quintana can come out of the giro well and movistar can be part of making a real race out of the tour this year

I kind of view him in the same way that I view most pro cyclists and how I view all of the NFL. These pro sports are not normal, the competition is intense, the money is pretty big and the show is awesome. When you combine all of those, you're viewing maybe a toned down version of WWE. It is money and business first, entertainment as a means to that and fair competition after that. The players in the arena will do whatever they will do to self level the perceived playing field to keep their paycheques and not get cut from the team and go back to bricklaying or selling cars or tractors or trucks or whatever that is less glamorous than doing pro sport. Given all of the above, he's on a tear. I trust that his path to winning is similar to a lot of his peers. He still has to execute on the field of play on race day, and you have to give that guy credit for being able to pull things off year in and year out.
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
pk1 wrote:
if i remember correctly he was never actually caught doping as such, just "implicated


He was full-on caught. His DNA was matched to the DNA in a bag of plasma seized in Operation Puerto. He got a full two-year suspension.

ah right, not caught doping as such, just donating blood ;)
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
pk1 wrote:
certainly he is on fire, though he normally is in the early season if not quite to the same level. i think this year in particular he is leaving the giro and tour to quintana (perhaps eyeing up vuelta) so more focused on the spring racing than most rivals who are building slower towards GTs. but really, he is quite uniquely suited to these races and in particular fleche as a genuine top level climber who also has genuine speed.

as for his dubious past, if i remember correctly he was never actually caught doping as such, just "implicated". i find it funny the way different riders are viewed in light of their pasts... some cast out completely, some considered completely fine, valverde seems to be an odd mix. worth noting that his 2 years away from the stress of racing might be just the reason why he is able to perform at such a high level despite his age

personally, i like him as a rider and see no reason to view him in any different light to anyone else wrt drugs

hoping quintana can come out of the giro well and movistar can be part of making a real race out of the tour this year


I kind of view him in the same way that I view most pro cyclists and how I view all of the NFL. These pro sports are not normal, the competition is intense, the money is pretty big and the show is awesome. When you combine all of those, you're viewing maybe a toned down version of WWE. It is money and business first, entertainment as a means to that and fair competition after that. The players in the arena will do whatever they will do to self level the perceived playing field to keep their paycheques and not get cut from the team and go back to bricklaying or selling cars or tractors or trucks or whatever that is less glamorous than doing pro sport. Given all of the above, he's on a tear. I trust that his path to winning is similar to a lot of his peers. He still has to execute on the field of play on race day, and you have to give that guy credit for being able to pull things off year in and year out.

i'd say WT cycling < NFL < WWE wrt drugs and commercialisation but yeah, you have to suspend disbelief a bit just like with most movies. its commercial entertainment first and foremost and valverde is a star - he isn't just winning, he's doing it with style
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [pk1] [ In reply to ]
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pk1 wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
pk1 wrote:
certainly he is on fire, though he normally is in the early season if not quite to the same level. i think this year in particular he is leaving the giro and tour to quintana (perhaps eyeing up vuelta) so more focused on the spring racing than most rivals who are building slower towards GTs. but really, he is quite uniquely suited to these races and in particular fleche as a genuine top level climber who also has genuine speed.

as for his dubious past, if i remember correctly he was never actually caught doping as such, just "implicated". i find it funny the way different riders are viewed in light of their pasts... some cast out completely, some considered completely fine, valverde seems to be an odd mix. worth noting that his 2 years away from the stress of racing might be just the reason why he is able to perform at such a high level despite his age

personally, i like him as a rider and see no reason to view him in any different light to anyone else wrt drugs

hoping quintana can come out of the giro well and movistar can be part of making a real race out of the tour this year


I kind of view him in the same way that I view most pro cyclists and how I view all of the NFL. These pro sports are not normal, the competition is intense, the money is pretty big and the show is awesome. When you combine all of those, you're viewing maybe a toned down version of WWE. It is money and business first, entertainment as a means to that and fair competition after that. The players in the arena will do whatever they will do to self level the perceived playing field to keep their paycheques and not get cut from the team and go back to bricklaying or selling cars or tractors or trucks or whatever that is less glamorous than doing pro sport. Given all of the above, he's on a tear. I trust that his path to winning is similar to a lot of his peers. He still has to execute on the field of play on race day, and you have to give that guy credit for being able to pull things off year in and year out.


i'd say WT cycling < NFL < WWE wrt drugs and commercialisation but yeah, you have to suspend disbelief a bit just like with most movies. its commercial entertainment first and foremost and valverde is a star - he isn't just winning, he's doing it with style

What did you guys think about today. 4x @LBL!
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I think what this means is that LBL needs take a page from Amstel and kill that final climb to Ans to open it up a bit.

All it tells us about Valverde is that he's really good at an uphill sprint.
Last edited by: timbasile: Apr 23, 17 19:03
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Valverde knows how to prepare himself well.
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [spookini] [ In reply to ]
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spookini wrote:
Valverde knows how to prepare himself well.

It's not preparation. These days it is called marginal gains.
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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No one cares about Valdipshit. Except his mom, probably.
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Re: As we go into Grand Tour Season: ST take on Valverde ? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
pk1 wrote:
if i remember correctly he was never actually caught doping as such, just "implicated


He was full-on caught. His DNA was matched to the DNA in a bag of plasma seized in Operation Puerto. He got a full two-year suspension.

The Spanish judge never authorized conducting any DNA analysis, although there is no doubt of his implication in Operación Puerto.

Taking into account that "everybody" was on juice, the most adversely affected cyclist in this doping era is the most natural gifted one. In my opinion, Valverde is the best cyclist I have ever seen. He has been able to win in a modern era from sprint finishes in Grand Tours to a mano mano with Lance Amstrong in his prime in the Alps.
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