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Hi folks, I'm new to posting in this forum, but I've been reading it for a long time. I've been managing achilles tendonosis for a year now, after running for the Wounded Warriors foundation last September. I'm male, late 30's, long commute and long days stuck in an office chair - run 3-5 miles 2 or 3 days a week (for 20 years now), so pretty much the classic tendonosis candidate. I've been to a variety of specialists, from podiatrists to orthopedists to ART/graston, to accupuncture. Here's what's working, and what's not - would appreciate some guidance, as I'm loosing hope...

Oct 2014: Physical therapy - helped loosen the calf/hips, but pain remained; started riding stationary bike to get cardio in, stopped running altogether (maintained stationary bike until recently - see below)

Nov: Oral steroids prescribed by 1st orthopedic surgeon - slight reduction in swelling, but came back 1-2 weeks later

Dec: deep tissue massage at podiatrist office a few times a week - helped but became too expensive and too tough to get there with my hectic schedule

Jan: orthopedic surgeon recommended surgery - first time I "ran" since Sep, as in running right out of his office

Feb: tried ART/Graston - first once a week, then twice a week; started Alfredson protocol (eccentric heal drops), but with no weights

Mar: ART/Graston helping quite a bit, but felt like eccentric heal drops making it worse, or at least preventing progress - stopped doing them after 4-5 weeks

Apr: Chiro performing ART/Graston suggested slow running to get blood flowing - started nice and easy and progressed VERY slowly. Running in Glycerin 13 (Brooks), and hard orthotics (been using for many years) - in retrospect, the shoes were probably worn out

May: After 7-8 weeks of increasing mileage, went for a slow 2.5 mile run, foot in ice bath afterwards, next day couldn't get out of bed until 30 minutes of massage and stretching - back to square one

Jun: stopped ART/Graston, and to another orthopedic group to see their "non-surgery solution MD" - recommended nitroglycerin patch, and said may try PRP in a few weeks if that didn't work. He said the patches could cause headaches - which gets funny... I work with anesthesiologists in my day job. 10 days after starting the patches, my eyes were red, and my head was pounding. One of the physicians took notice, and asked if I was okay - I told him about the patches, and he just started laughing - said to stop immediately. I did. The head is much better. Achilles the same...

Jul: started accupuncture with traditional Chinese physician - seems to help a little. I go on Saturdays, and feel okay throughout the rest of the weekend. By Monday I'm back to same pain.

Aug: read throughout this forum, and learned the Alfredson protocol requires weight to be added (hadn't realized that before). Started loading a backpack and got back to the protocol (3 weeks ago). Also, got back to seeing ART/Graston once a week (Wednesdays), and seeing Accupuncture on Saturdays. Stopped stationary bike, as I figured it could be causing problems. Switched to eliptical machine, but staying mindful not to lift heels from the pedal, as trying to get cardio in without too much pressure on achilles.

Sep 2015: Accupuncturist getting frustrated with the injury, and recommends injection of homeopathic meds (Traumeel). Got two weeks in a row of injections. Seems to hep with inflamation for a few days, and then back to normal. Following the alfredson protocol, and up to about 30-40 pounds of weight. After the exercises, I ice for 15 minutes, and then hot water and epson salts for 30 minutes. Also rolling the calfs and hamstrings regularly.

Hopefully that's enough background. Here's the current problem (other than the frustration of not running more than 20 miles over an entire year). I really think the Alfredson protocol is making my problem worse. Like much worse. I've read that this is kind of the point, and in the spirit of the protocol. However, I'm looking for some guidance from the folks on the forum as to if you experienced the same increased pain, and I could use some convincing to stick with it if that's worked for any of you. For those that stuck with it, how many weeks of getting worse until you noticed it turning the corner? It doesn't hurt while doing the exercises, but my pain in general is getting worse. I had hoped to finally get over the pain, and give a new pair of Hoka's a try.

We all likely have a love/hate relationship with running. I have to say I'm heartbroken with this injury. I just hit my 1-year anniversary today. Not sure what else to do. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and guidance.
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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what, if anything, have you changed with shoes? what kind? heal to toe fall?
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Re: Achilles - please help [mfisch69] [ In reply to ]
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My running shoes are the Glycerin 13, heel to toe drop about 10mm. Not sure it's relevant though, as I haven't been running at all.
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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Tried EPAT? I had an Achilles injury four years ago, and took off around 10 weeks from running, got Graston and was able to gradually build the mileage back up. Same injury popped up this season, but by using EPAT I only had to take off three weeks. Check it out!

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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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achilles problems on such low mileage? strange. How many hours do you sit a day? I think that may indicate something
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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If you are in the LA area check out the movement performance institute. It's an amazing clinic lead by one of the leading researchers and specializes in patellofemoral injuries. He's a PT and PhD and teaches at USC among other things. He does gait and running analysis and would be able to guide you in reasonings why you're having chronic achilles problems. Likely it comes down to muscle imbalance, running style and perhaps shoes. If not in the area, try to find a good PT to do a running analysis where they take video and can explain at what point in the gait cycle you're having a fault.

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Re: Achilles - please help [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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natethomas wrote:
Tried EPAT? I had an Achilles injury four years ago, and took off around 10 weeks from running, got Graston and was able to gradually build the mileage back up. Same injury popped up this season, but by using EPAT I only had to take off three weeks. Check it out!

Damn glad that worked out for you Nate! Second this one - I've used EPAT for plantar fasciitis and achilles tendonitis. It's pretty much magic.

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Re: Achilles - please help [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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I'm glad to read this. I'm going to give it a shot. I had an AT issue come out of nowhere after a rest period, and it's been very problematic for running since late July.
How long did it take before you were able to run with no issue at all?
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Re: Achilles - please help [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I had issues after IMTX last year. I think I tweaked it during the race and it was very swollen and enlarged for a while. I ran through it and never took a break - I did no spadework at all though.

After a few EPAT sessions it continued to heal and the swelling went away. I think it was probably 3 - 4 weeks until it was pretty normal.

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Re: Achilles - please help [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in Miami and will search for EPAT - I'm guessing this isn't covered by the big insurance plans? How much are you paying for sessions?

Regarding the question on desk time - I'm in finance and sitting 11-12 hours a day, plus a 45 minute commute each way. I'm sure the tightness and the older shoes caused some of this, but I'm just trying to get over the hump in the pain caused by the eccentric heel drops.
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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Back in 2009 - 2010, I was in a similar situation. Stubborn Achilles issue that would not go away.

Had PRP which helped significantly....got me back to 75%, at least. However, the week after the injection, I developed w blood clot in y calf (unrelated to the PRP) and had to come out of the walking boot immediately. So I was not able to get the "full" effect of the PRP.

More time in the boot or another round of PRP may well have solved it, dunno.

Anyway, still couldn't run and was not doing any training really. Finally in the fall of 2010, out of complete frustration, I started doing about 30 minutes on the elliptical and then running SLOW and SHORT on the treadmill. I would literally run .1 mile at 15 min / mile (note the decimal point on the distance).

Skipped the following day, repeat. After a week, I would bump up the distance to .2, etc. SLOWLY worked my distance up. After a few months, I was up to 1.5 miles...kept going. By March of 2011, I was up to 8 miles or so and down to 8:30 / mile pace.

I always warmed up on an elliptical to help get things prepped. I noticed you said you don't let your heel rise on the pedal. I would not do that as you are putting additional stretch and stress on the tendon. Let it rise up at the back of the pedal stroke.

I also found swimming to be wonderfully therapeutic. Achilles always felt great getting out of the pool.

I'd also get new shoes since you said yours were worn. Also check and make sure the heel tab area of the shoes are not too tall. In hindsight, I think my Adidas shoes were a contributing problem as that area on them was tall and stiff. Switched shoes when I started the above protocol.

Good luck!

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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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Where do you live, see if you can find a functional patterns practitioner

Your Achilles problem is from bad posture. Your body is not working as a whole unit and is compensating somewhere
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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Where is the injury on the achilles? Near the heel insertion, just above, mid-tendon? Heel insertions are a bitch, mid-portion of tendon are relatively predictable typically. Are you folloing a steady home program other than eccentrics (heel drops), and if so, exactly what are you doing regularly? Have you seen a provider that needles trigger points? What did the acupuncturist target, and how deep were needles?
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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Having had that a couple of years ago, I'll tell you that using the boot at night helped a lot. I also did not go barefoot, and went to running shoes that did not have such a drop as is now popular.....easy to find. The real turning point was when I actually found the real culprit.....the right muscle. For me it was the tibias posterior, which is deep blow the gastroc and soleus. Once I mentioned that to my acupuncturist, he did a 1 hour plus session on that muscle and I've been pain free and healed ever since (2 yrs?). I did none of the eccentric exercises as I felt they added too much strain. Once again, reduce the strain by staying in higher shoes; no barefoot, boot, and acupuncture once you find where the true problem area is. Otherwise it's a shot in the dark, which seems like what they've been doing to you. Good luck....it WILL get better.
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Re: Achilles - please help [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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The injury is a few inches above the heel. I'm following the eccentrics but about to stop as the pain continues to get worse. I'm also rolling, stretching, and strengthening the ankle muscles with a theraband. For the folks that found the "right muscle" causing the pain, how did you find it? Should I keep going with the eccentrics?
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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You said "Achilles - Please help"

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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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jclemens3 wrote:
The injury is a few inches above the heel. I'm following the eccentrics but about to stop as the pain continues to get worse. I'm also rolling, stretching, and strengthening the ankle muscles with a theraband. For the folks that found the "right muscle" causing the pain, how did you find it? Should I keep going with the eccentrics?

2 things to try:
1. When you do your eccentrics, start on your toes and stop at horizontal. Try not to stretch the calf muscle.
2. Get a pair of shoes that have *zero* contact with the achilles tendon. Soft material with huge cutouts, like these shoes:
http://kradodesign.com/...-vintage-green-1.jpg

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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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I have had the same issue. My problem was caused from the tightening of the soleus muscle. It is behind your calf and wraps downward around your heel. It happens when I start increasing running mileage from what I am use to or running high mileage.

To offset the problem, I have to roll with the triggerpoint therapy kit. There is a footballer roller and a block that I use in the kit. When I increase mileage, I have to roll at least every other day to prevent tightness in my Achilles tendon. Here is a demonstration of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-75zHT6gK5M
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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This isn't very scientific, but my situation was (has been?) very similar to yours. Mid-30's, been running an avg of 20 mi/week, on the low end, for the past 15 years. After a move across the country I took about 3 years off of racing and then decided to get back into it (running/racing). My cardio was good so I just got back into the proverbial saddle and then Achilles pain began to creep. Got to the point where, like you, it was extremely painful to get out of bed in the morning and would bring me to a hault mid-run.

After seeing a PT for several months, taking off a few months here and there, eccentric stretching/strengthening, KT tape, massage therapy, etc. The pain continued to come back time and time again. Very demoralizing, indeed.

The solution? Well the probablem is I can't say with absolute certainty that this was the cure...and it's certainly not the answer you probably want to hear but quite simply, it's time off. I became so frustrated that I gave up running and endurance sports for over two years. I lifted weights and rock climbed a couple of times a week but that was about it for physical activity. Even so, there would be days where my Achilles would hurt just a little bit...as if to remind me that I could no longer run.

Then after a long winter and a few months of not noticing any residual soreness, I decided to give it a go again. In May I began running with the mindset that if I ever started to feel the pain I would stop. My cardio was embarrassing (and my weight had jumped 40 lbs from my racing peak) but in a way it was good because it prevented me from going too far, too fast. I began doing 1-2 miles 2-3x week and SLOWLY progressed from there with stretching before-and-after every run and applying cold after each run.

Now I'm back to about 20 miles a week (as I said, taking it SLOW) and I'm cautiously optimistic. I was just talking with my wife earlier about how excited I was with my lack of Achilles pain and am planning on a 70.3 next year (either Tempe or Lack Stevens). If all else fails and if you absolutely do not want to go the surgery route, take the time. Don't give up hope and let yourself get fat and out of shape as I did, but avoid running and explosive actions (e.g. box jumps).

In my completely ignorant surmise, it wasn't until I gave up on ever correcting the problem that I was able to leave my Achilles alone long enough for it to recover. Take from that story what you will. I'm sympathetic to anyone with a similar injury and wish there were better understanding of the healing process in this particularly situation.
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Re: Achilles - please help [jclemens3] [ In reply to ]
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I would definitely stop the eccentrics. I actually have never done them. I actually diagnosed the correct muscle with self massage, etc. Use a wooden rolling pin to self massage, and the pain will be obvious. Also, I used my fingers to probe for tightness.
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Re: Achilles - please help [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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ggeiger wrote:
Having had that a couple of years ago, I'll tell you that using the boot at night helped a lot. I also did not go barefoot, and went to running shoes that did not have such a drop as is now popular.....easy to find. The real turning point was when I actually found the real culprit.....the right muscle. For me it was the tibias posterior, which is deep blow the gastroc and soleus. Once I mentioned that to my acupuncturist, he did a 1 hour plus session on that muscle and I've been pain free and healed ever since (2 yrs?). I did none of the eccentric exercises as I felt they added too much strain. Once again, reduce the strain by staying in higher shoes; no barefoot, boot, and acupuncture once you find where the true problem area is. Otherwise it's a shot in the dark, which seems like what they've been doing to you. Good luck....it WILL get better.

my story seems very similar to yours, except I didn't do acupuncture, but did many ART sessions. Not scientific, but, I think these helped the most: Boot (at night), deep sessions with roller and lacrosse ball/triggerpoint) AND time off from running. For me that area right above the top of the tendon really needs constant rolling, etc.

When I was hurting and read "it will get better" I didn't believe it - but, it will; just not as fast as you want it to :-(

Hang tough.

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Re: Achilles - please help [Mackster] [ In reply to ]
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This.

Let your body heal.
To stress it more (yes, various treatments are stress) is counterproductive for tendonitis...
Let it heal. Rebuilt it while listening to your body.

But who wants to do that?


Mackster wrote:
This isn't very scientific, but my situation was (has been?) very similar to yours.
The solution? I became so frustrated that I gave up running and endurance sports for over two years.

Then after a long winter and a few months of not noticing any residual soreness, I decided to give it a go again. . I began doing 1-2 miles 2-3x week and SLOWLY progressed from there with stretching before-and-after every run and applying cold after each run.

Now I'm back to about 20 miles a week (as I said, taking it SLOW) and I'm cautiously optimistic.
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