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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Pooks] [ In reply to ]
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I don't doubt people are more comfortable on a standard bike, but a lot of those guys may have made bike changes too. Obviously Contador didn't, but for the rest, I don't remember now. Garmin's decision makes sense if you are sticking with one bike and trying to make it work.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Let me know when that's worked out. I'm sure we could think of a variety of other approaches, but it doesn't look like this one is working in mice or in humans yet.

It wouldn't be very hard to detect this, either the virus itself, or genetic material from it. Edited to add: or the bodies of the dead dopers whose immune system freaked out b/c of the virus.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Lou3000] [ In reply to ]
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I'd be good to hear from some of the insiders as to the whys of the choices. Some of the riders had to decend in the wet and I wouldn't be surprised if that played into AC choice, be as aero as possible on a bike he is most comfortable on particularly when they are in a multiday race.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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You know what I think about that Garmin set up ... There was a hell of a lot of work last night by the mechanics last night to get those bikes ready if the whole team ran that set up.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Lou3000] [ In reply to ]
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Am I the only one who thinks the bike changes are kind of lame?

I also wonder how much of the desire to be on a road bike despite the models is irrational and hurts their performance... or if the comfort factor actually translates to faster times.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [matto] [ In reply to ]
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Ha, right on....

Don't you know? According to the Slowtwitch pseudo-science cult of personalty: Contador would've won easily if only he wouldn't have been on a Specialized, and on a Pinarello. Or, better yet, they would've tied if only they were both riding a Cervelo: all things being equal!! LOL....
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Toenail] [ In reply to ]
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Ha, right on....

Don't you know? According to the Slowtwitch pseudo-science cult of personalty: Contador would've won easily if only he wouldn't have been on a Specialized, and on a Pinarello. Or, better yet, they would've tied if only they were both riding a Cervelo: all things being equal!! LOL....

Ummmm.....pretty sure the ST group-think is the opposite. Specialized > Pinarello.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [GoatHerd] [ In reply to ]
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If his bike was at the minimum weight, he didn't lose any time up the climbs due to the disc.

In fact, even if it was not at the minimum limit, he likely did not lose any time due to the disc...

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There were a lot of variations. I was really surprised when Contador rolled up with a rear disc and a Tarmac (does Saxo not have access to the Venge?).

Yup, I was amazed at Contador chugging up the 1st climb w/ a disc. He took a calculated risk, loosing time on the climbs due to disc & on descents due to non-TT rig. While watching, it made sense, but I think he may have missed out on the stage because of that. It cuts out the stress though, of someone fluffing the change.



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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Toenail] [ In reply to ]
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Specialized Venge is an excellent choice for the course imho.

Drop bars for contador probably not but the first descent defies mathematical analysis so can't be sure.

Get the pseudoscience right if you are gonna make fun of it =)

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Ha, right on....

Don't you know? According to the Slowtwitch pseudo-science cult of personalty: Contador would've won easily if only he wouldn't have been on a Specialized, and on a Pinarello. Or, better yet, they would've tied if only they were both riding a Cervelo: all things being equal!! LOL....



Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
Aeroweenie.com -Compendium of Aero Data and Knowledge
Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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"Best case scenario, Froome puts some extra time on his opponents. Worst case scenario, he has a catastrophic mechanical or a fall."

Well thank GOD someone was there to tell us this exclusive information
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Pooks] [ In reply to ]
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Real winner today was that Specialized aero road helmet. It looks great. And makes the Giro Air Attack look super dated.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
You do realize that Cadel Evans attacked Andy Schleck on that same descent a couple years ago and gained a bit of time, right? Was that an unnecessary, dangerous classless move as well?

And why would Contador work with Froome when Kreuzinger was in the group up the road, and there was an opportunity to take time back?

It's a bike RACE, not a participatory sport like triathlon.


Not sure what the gap between Evans and Schleck was, but I'm guessing it was alot less than the 4:25 Contador is currently trailing Froome by. Also, if you have a 40 yard gap on someone on a steep descent, be as reckless as you want because if you crash you are only taking yourself out, but being reckless when you are all in a close group that includes many of the top GC contenders is less cool.

I get that it's a bike race, but my point is that you need to assess risk vs reward and in this case I think that with only a few km left in the stage, the risk of taking yourself and a number of the top GC contenders out of the race in a crash on a tricky descent was not worth it. Just my opinion, and apparently Froome's too. You're welcome to disagree.

And Contador had every motivation to get back into the group or he would have lost valuable seconds to Mollema. Which do you think Contador cares about more, Kreuzinger taking 10 seconds (say) back on Froome, or himself not losing 10 seconds to Mollema?[/quote

The distance was shorter but crazy decents have won tours unexpectdly. Vino stole the Vuelta from Valverde on a decsent and I believe El Falco the Giro. ........You say AC was a bad teamate for not following team orders, No wat Riis orders AC to bridge to Roman.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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kjmcawesome wrote:
Real winner today was that Specialized aero road helmet. It looks great. And makes the Giro Air Attack look super dated.



and the Canyon TT bikes. they are sweet looking. its a shame the seat tube is only 74 degrees. thats pretty slack.


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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Kenney] [ In reply to ]
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Alright, enough of today's stage because tomorrow should be epic!
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah that's the nice thing about the 4 minute gap between Froome and the field. Can't afford to wait. Must. Attack. NOW.

Contador is going to be a hero or blow up. Should be amazing.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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This tour is just ridiculous.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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So does Evans try to get in the breakaway?
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [missinglink] [ In reply to ]
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ANGRY RANT: Being skeptical about the Tour is a healthy thing. Heck, it's healthy to be skeptical about life in general. But I'm getting sick of all the idiots that post doping accusations w/out any proper knowledge, and often enough w/out even deeming it necessary to argue the point. "Froome is tanked up 2 the max" on it's own is a worthless statement, and possibly libelous. I wouldn't bet my house on Froome being clean, just as much as I wouldn't bet my house on the 2013 Evans being clean. No one KNOWS. Now go have a look at any article about the 2013 Tour in the French sports mag L'Equipe. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of comments saying "dopé" and "catch you in 2023", or words to that effect. I try to mitigate things by pointing that proof is needed, etc, and my comments (in good French) don't get past moderation. Weird. French press is putting serious pressure on Sky, and yet so far there is no evidence, no link w/ a Emma O'Reilly, or a Dr. Ferrari.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [GoatHerd] [ In reply to ]
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, I agree w/ the Leinders remark, but even so, the circumstances are quite a bit different. Sky must have a ton of potential whistle-blowers, if they're doing gear, and yet so far nothing. If Sky are doing gear, british track cycling is dirty as well, and yet so far... nothing.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [GoatHerd] [ In reply to ]
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jackmott wrote:
GoatHerd wrote:
ANGRY RANT: Being skeptical about the Tour is a healthy thing. Heck, it's healthy to be skeptical about life in general. But I'm getting sick of all the idiots that post doping accusations w/out any proper knowledge, and often enough w/out even deeming it necessary to argue the point. "Froome is tanked up 2 the max" on it's own is a worthless statement, and possibly libelous. I wouldn't bet my house on Froome being clean, just as much as I wouldn't bet my house on the 2013 Evans being clean. No one KNOWS. Now go have a look at any article about the 2013 Tour in the French sports mag L'Equipe. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of comments saying "dopé" and "catch you in 2023", or words to that effect. I try to mitigate things by pointing that proof is needed, etc, and my comments (in good French) don't get past moderation. Weird. French press is putting serious pressure on Sky, and yet so far there is no evidence, no link w/ a Emma O'Reilly, or a Dr. Ferrari.

to be fair there was sort of a link with a Dr Ferrari

Dr Leinders.



PS. To the OP, your statement that you won't bet your house on Froome being clean is no less "libelous" than the other statements of suspicion: it implies you are at least somewhat suspicious, even as you yourself states you don't know for sure. So get off of your high horse, or, perhaps, a seatpost set too high before you go accusing.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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eganski wrote:
So does Evans try to get in the breakaway?

as Sean Kelly said on Tuesday regarding most in the 20+ strong breakaway: just because you are in one doesn't mean your form gets better.

Evan's chances are quite diminished, unfortunately
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
jackmott wrote:
GoatHerd wrote:
ANGRY RANT: Being skeptical about the Tour is a healthy thing. Heck, it's healthy to be skeptical about life in general. .....

to be fair there was sort of a link with a Dr Ferrari

Dr Leinders.



PS. To the OP, your statement that you won't bet your house on Froome being clean is no less "libelous" than the other statements of suspicion: it implies you are at least somewhat suspicious, even as you yourself states you don't know for sure. So get off of your high horse, or, perhaps, a seatpost set too high before you go accusing.

C'mon, you get gist of what I'm saying. Have you been & had a look at the articles on the L'Equipe website? It's ridiculous. This is the country where the TDF is being run. These are the same people who go fauning on the Messi articles, he who was openly put on a growth hormone program by Barcelona FC. I'm with the Badger on this one.
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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [GoatHerd] [ In reply to ]
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C'mon, you get gist of what I'm saying. Have you been & had a look at the articles on the L'Equipe website? It's ridiculous. This is the country where the TDF is being run. These are the same people who go fauning on the Messi articles, he who was openly put on a growth hormone program by Barcelona FC. I'm with the Badger on this one.

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again, below is what you wrote, relevant portions bolded on my emphasis. it seems like your post is regarding posters in this thread and other threads on ST. only later do you mention l'Equipe. My point being, if you think the rest of us are being libelous, you may well want to look yourself in the mirror when you say you won't bet your house. There's a good reason JV never says a thing about it in public: for he knows that those words may come back to bite him should he ever be in the GB, where the libel laws are very loose.
GoatHerd wrote:
ANGRY RANT: Being skeptical about the Tour is a healthy thing. Heck, it's healthy to be skeptical about life in general. But I'm getting sick of all the idiots that post doping accusations w/out any proper knowledge, and often enough w/out even deeming it necessary to argue the point. "Froome is tanked up 2 the max" on it's own is a worthless statement, and possibly libelous. I wouldn't bet my house on Froome being clean, just as much as I wouldn't bet my house on the 2013 Evans being clean. No one KNOWS. Now go have a look at any article about the 2013 Tour in the French sports mag L'Equipe. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of comments saying "dopé" and "catch you in 2023", or words to that effect. I try to mitigate things by pointing that proof is needed, etc, and my comments (in good French) don't get past moderation. Weird. French press is putting serious pressure on Sky, and yet so far there is no evidence, no link w/ a Emma O'Reilly, or a Dr. Ferrari.
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